Fuel Surcharge makes BA miles almost worthless
Jun 23, 2006, 2:10 pm
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Fuel Surcharge makes BA miles almost worthless
I have stopped using my BA miles so long as the current "fuel surcharge" nonsense continues. For example, I was looking for a reservation in November DFW to EDI round-trip in coach. 50,000 miles plus $271 in taxes/fees! DFW to LGW $200 in fees. On AA I made a reservation for 40,000 miles plus $70 in fees. BA quotes its RT fare to be $378 plus $244 in taxes/fees ($622 total) and AA quotes $513 plus $114 in taxes/fees ($627 total), so the total is virtually the same, it's just that anyone using BA miles is screwed...
And just for interest I looked at the add-on LGW to EDI. 12,000 miles and $80.54 in fees, the RT fare was only $118!!
And just for interest I looked at the add-on LGW to EDI. 12,000 miles and $80.54 in fees, the RT fare was only $118!!
Jun 23, 2006, 2:30 pm
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Well if you will look to redeem miles in economy in the first place!?! 
More seriously:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=571896
may interest you.
Phil
PS Stopping using BA miles probably won't bother BA in the least. Stopping flying paid fares whilst this continues may have a greater effect in aggregate...money talks, miles don't.
More seriously:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=571896
may interest you.
Phil
PS Stopping using BA miles probably won't bother BA in the least. Stopping flying paid fares whilst this continues may have a greater effect in aggregate...money talks, miles don't.
Jun 23, 2006, 3:10 pm
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Originally Posted by texasbrit
I have stopped using my BA miles so long as the current "fuel surcharge" nonsense continues. For example, I was looking for a reservation in November DFW to EDI round-trip in coach. 50,000 miles plus $271 in taxes/fees! DFW to LGW $200 in fees. On AA I made a reservation for 40,000 miles plus $70 in fees. BA quotes its RT fare to be $378 plus $244 in taxes/fees ($622 total) and AA quotes $513 plus $114 in taxes/fees ($627 total), so the total is virtually the same, it's just that anyone using BA miles is screwed...
And just for interest I looked at the add-on LGW to EDI. 12,000 miles and $80.54 in fees, the RT fare was only $118!!
And just for interest I looked at the add-on LGW to EDI. 12,000 miles and $80.54 in fees, the RT fare was only $118!!
I feel faint, I'm going for a lie down.....
Jun 23, 2006, 3:25 pm
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I've found a few city and even airport pairs where the taxes and fees on a mileage ticket exceeded the costs of simply buying a ticket on another major carrier. BA is amongst the worst offenders in this regard.
Jun 23, 2006, 3:38 pm
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Originally Posted by Jimmie76
You use the miles for World Traveller? I feel faint, I'm going for a lie down.....
I feel faint, I'm going for a lie down.....You are quite mad to redeem hard earned miles in coach!!!!
However that being said you should remember that at least on BA shorthaul flights you get a complimentary proper snack (eg sandwich), decent food on longhaul and free bar on economy fares (except regional shorthaul BA Connect), which can go some way to diminishing the cost of the surcharge.
Soon you will get AVOD in economy as well.
There are also other ways of reducing the taxes on redemptions, but you will have to PM me for that....
It never entirely covers the high cost of redemptions in economy, but redemptions in Club and FIRST are better value as the free massages on departure and arrival, decent champagne in lounges and now again on board, plus the goody BAg can go a long way to balancing the cash cost of the redemptions.
Jun 23, 2006, 4:47 pm
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Originally Posted by krug
However that being said you should remember that at least on BA shorthaul flights you get a complimentary proper snack (eg sandwich), decent food on longhaul and free bar on economy fares (except regional shorthaul BA Connect), which can go some way to diminishing the cost of the surcharge.
Jun 23, 2006, 4:53 pm
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A redemption in economy! 
Having said that was it not only a few years ago I read that the majority of BA redemptions were LHR - CDG or similar for a family of 4 or more?
Keep it up folks...I'll save mine for my 2:4:1's in FIRST on true long-haul or only 80k for SWMBO & I to travel in NCW LHR - HKG with the occasional op-up.
Having said that was it not only a few years ago I read that the majority of BA redemptions were LHR - CDG or similar for a family of 4 or more?
Keep it up folks...I'll save mine for my 2:4:1's in FIRST on true long-haul or only 80k for SWMBO & I to travel in NCW LHR - HKG with the occasional op-up.
Jun 23, 2006, 4:55 pm
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I don't have many BA miles left, almost all my travel is on AA these days. But my point is that BA "total" fares may be the same as AA but because the fees/taxes piece is so much larger the miles are worth much less. Same applies if you fly Club. BA fees on a Club ticket are $237. AA fees on a business ticket are $120.
Jun 23, 2006, 4:56 pm
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Originally Posted by Traveloguy
What are we talking? 5-30 pounds depending on whether it is short or long haul?
On longhaul round trip, three drinks each way would cost $30 total. If you have status, you can also use the showers and free bar (including champagne) in the lounges, further adding value to your redemption.
So from $150 to $100 with some know-how, less $30 for in flight drinks (admittedly irrelevant if you are tea-total), and the actual difference is just $70.
With decent food in the lounge as well as on board, plus drinks in the lounge this goes some, but not all the way, to reducing the discrepancy assuming you are a drinker and enjoy your food.
In premium cabins the cash cost of redemptions is easliy covered by the perks on offer, which are simply not offered by AA.
Jun 23, 2006, 5:08 pm
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I think the point many fail to comprehend is that unlike most US airlines FF programmes the BAEC is not a FF programme but a premium cabin traveller reward programme.
They may not claim that in their advertising...but that's what it is.
And long may that continue!
Meantime I will carry on booking my non-redemption tickets through AA.com.
They may not claim that in their advertising...but that's what it is.
And long may that continue!
Meantime I will carry on booking my non-redemption tickets through AA.com.