QR R class change to TP on BAEC [Confirmed as error on BA.com]
Nov 2, 2016, 9:11 pm
#46
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You would not be paying J prices for zero earnings - you would be paying fares discounted to the level where the airline feels that the discount itself is the benefit of the fare
Would the fare be cheaper on another carrier? if so, then logically would make sense to book there anyway. If not, then you would be spending extra to effectively buy miles
Would the fare be cheaper on another carrier? if so, then logically would make sense to book there anyway. If not, then you would be spending extra to effectively buy miles
Nov 2, 2016, 9:40 pm
#47
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Which might be fair enough from this point but not for those who purchased in good faith prior to this change.
Nov 2, 2016, 9:47 pm
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Sad but not surprising, my recent ex-OSL was nearly all Brits, most of whom came of the Norwegian flight from Gatwick with me, so BA didn't even get that revenue!
One 700 quid return to Asia and a cheap CE sector to get access to lounges and other benefits for a year on 100 quid HBO fares just wasn't sustainable for BA and totally disproportionate to what they offer on their own metal
Be interesting to see if they honour pre-booked, I had one IB leg in the last deval which they honored once I sent proof of the date I booked (they can't see) - but that was 5tp not 560!
One 700 quid return to Asia and a cheap CE sector to get access to lounges and other benefits for a year on 100 quid HBO fares just wasn't sustainable for BA and totally disproportionate to what they offer on their own metal
Be interesting to see if they honour pre-booked, I had one IB leg in the last deval which they honored once I sent proof of the date I booked (they can't see) - but that was 5tp not 560!
Nov 2, 2016, 10:27 pm
#49
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A fairer way would be to reduce rather than eliminate the TP earning for discount J, basically the same way that discount Y works.
Nov 2, 2016, 11:17 pm
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Now I count myself lucky I did NOT book any R class tickets for next year.
Makes my move from OW back to star alot easier...
Not so much because it would be better but rather I am just not pleased witj ONEWORLD and all these changes!
I do agree with the post that instead of ZERO they should have just done a reduced J. AA changed R to 100% instead of 125% ofcourse AA also gives elite bonuses For QR flights too
Nov 3, 2016, 12:38 am
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So, there's no reason why BA couldn't honour existing bookings as they did last time - but the change in emphasis at the airline means they almost certainly won't.
Nov 3, 2016, 12:56 am
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I sincerely hope all the GGL/CCR runners on here will survive, now with the AA TP devaluation and QR 'R' earning nothing... how will you all cope?!
Nov 3, 2016, 1:01 am
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Sad news 
Due to the route changes my AKL flights end of the year changed to J and I class. So I hope they're okay.
To the experts... Does QR have to pay for the TP and Avios? I can't see the reason for them to drop R at BA. The latter are the direct effected one due to more avios circulation and more people in lounges etc? QR can just be happy to have more passengers or not?
Sorry forgot the point that of course it could be a thought from QR to push their own ffp?
Due to the route changes my AKL flights end of the year changed to J and I class. So I hope they're okay.
To the experts... Does QR have to pay for the TP and Avios? I can't see the reason for them to drop R at BA. The latter are the direct effected one due to more avios circulation and more people in lounges etc? QR can just be happy to have more passengers or not?
Sorry forgot the point that of course it could be a thought from QR to push their own ffp?
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Nov 3, 2016, 1:10 am
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For itineraries with purely BA flight numbers, yes - but the point is that most aren't, they're a mix (certainly if North American itineraries with BA/AA are used as an example of the workings of a JV), so now BA codeshares in a given itinerary will credit but QR flights in R won't. If ticketed on BA stock, and possibly even QR stock with BA codeshares, BA would know when the booking was made.
So, there's no reason why BA couldn't honour existing bookings as they did last time - but the change in emphasis at the airline means they almost certainly won't.
So, there's no reason why BA couldn't honour existing bookings as they did last time - but the change in emphasis at the airline means they almost certainly won't.
But lets hope they do honor the old rates for booking prior, I just doubt it. This does not effact me but I know many are devasted by these unannounced changes.
OW programs sure have had a rough year 2016!!!!
Nov 3, 2016, 1:13 am
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As a rule I think FFP should be required to inform of MAJOR changes one year and one week before hand 😀 Wishful thinking I know
Nov 3, 2016, 1:14 am
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Well I can book a trip to the Maldives next year for Mrs PK and myself in QR R class for £4k for the pair of us or book on the same QR flights with via BA for £13.5k. (It is the same cost if the LHR-DOH sectors are on BA metal). The BA website however only alllows booking into J so the extra £9.5k does save me the cancellation fee of £330 per person as well as earning lots of lovely Avios. Fully flexible business on these flights booked with QR woud be £8k for the pair of us.
Now I accpet that BA chooses not to fly to MLE in late May but even if I look at JNB I save 50% by flying QR metal and foregoing the Avios rather than BA metal. Most of the cheapest QR business tickets allow refund of a large proportion of the fare, most of the cheapest BA tickets do not.
I'm increasingly unclear of the vale of the BAEC and as such there is even less incentive to fly BA.
Now I accpet that BA chooses not to fly to MLE in late May but even if I look at JNB I save 50% by flying QR metal and foregoing the Avios rather than BA metal. Most of the cheapest QR business tickets allow refund of a large proportion of the fare, most of the cheapest BA tickets do not.
I'm increasingly unclear of the vale of the BAEC and as such there is even less incentive to fly BA.
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Nov 3, 2016, 1:16 am
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Nov 3, 2016, 1:17 am
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Nov 3, 2016, 1:29 am
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I have a R class trip to Thailand coming up in February booked 6 weeks ago with QR.
I have not received any notification of the changes from BAEC. The web-site in Belgium today on the TP Avios calculator is still showing R class at 140 TPs per sector. I have taken screen shots as proof!
By the way, what has happened to Mr Hillier? Has he been enhanced?
I have not received any notification of the changes from BAEC. The web-site in Belgium today on the TP Avios calculator is still showing R class at 140 TPs per sector. I have taken screen shots as proof!
By the way, what has happened to Mr Hillier? Has he been enhanced?