darrencobb

I'm aware that HEL and ATH are short haul + routes which earn 80 tp's in CE but which are the other short haul+ routes ? Is LCA one of them ?
Thanks in advance Darren cobb

KARFA

London to Agadir, Algiers, Antalya, Athens, Bucharest, Helsinki, Istanbul, Izmir, Kiev, Larnaca, Marrakech, Paphos, Sofia, St Petersburg, Thessaloniki, Tripoli, Tirana, Tunis, Varna, Malta, Heraklion, Mykonos, Rhodes, Bodrum, and Dalaman.

Actually I think my list is out of date, are some of these routes now cancelled? Tunis? Tripoli?

Oh, and MAN-HEL on AY is a shorthaul+ route and gets 80 TPs in CE.

cme17

And the Canaries.

KARFA

Thanks, yes Tenerife as well. I knew my list needed updating!

darrencobb

Thanks for your speedy replies.

Calchas

Plus MAN-HEL on AY, and LHR-DME on S7 operated by BA—but the same metal on the BA code would get long haul tier points.

There is also a pictorial representation in the first post of this thread: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...er-thread.html

KARFA

I did mention MAN-HEL. The map you linked to is quite a way out of date and misses several of the newer routes, hence why I posted a list instead.

Roger

Not quite.

TFS and ACE yes. LPA and FUE no.

KARFA

That's a bit strange though isn't it? Are you sure you are correct with those?

LGW-ACE 1683 miles - says on the BA calculator it does get 80 TPs in CE
LGW-TFS 1809 miles - says on the BA calculator it does get 80 TPs in CE

LHR-LPA 1801 miles - says on the BA calculator it does get 80 TPs in CE, why do you think otherwise?

LGW-FUE 1720 miles - says on the BA calculator it only gets 40 TPs in CE - an error perhaps on the calculator?

Are the short haul+ routes defined by distance? More than 1000 miles? All the above would seem to be well over that. LHR-HEL is only 1151 miles and LGW-RAK is only 1407 miles and both are short haul + routes.

shorthauldad

Is it only BA and AY ex LON that short haul+ applies to?

I'd imagine there are plenty of >1000mi but <2000mi sectors elsewhere in the OW network ...

Example: HEL-SVX on AY in J earns 1624 Avios but only 40 TPs

HEL-LHR in AY in J earns 1418 Avios (it's a shorter route) but 80 TPs

KARFA

I know that! I don't think anyone was trying to suggest anything differently

I meant why is LGW-FUE down as 40 TPs when it clearly meets the distance requirement which I presume to be more than 1000 miles. Also Roger seemed to think LHR-LPA was not a short haul+ route when it also seems to be.

This has highlighted I do need to update my list though. Once I do it I will add it to the TP run thread wiki.

Roger

Yes.Leading question . I checked the BA calculator this morning and found 10 TPs for cheapest economy to LPA and FUE, and 20 TPs for cheapest economy to TFS and ACE.

Roger

What? I seemed to think nothing of the short.

As explained above, I checked the BA calculator. Now if the calculator is wrong, don't blame the messenger. OTOH, if it's right, where do we go from here?

Calchas

Yes, plus MAN-HEL, and S7 ex-LON (although that is actually a codeshare on BA and would earn long haul tier points booked under the BA code).

KARFA

Ok, keep your hair on

You did say with some conviction earlier "TFS and ACE yes. LPA and FUE no." I checked and the calculator seems to say TFS, ACE, LPA yes, FUE no.

I wondered why you thought LPA shoulld be a no, was there a reason you thought so? The calculaor says yes. Did you check LGW-LPA on the calculator by any chance? I understand LPA is a seasonal LHR route and doesn't go from LGW. When you check LGW-LPA it throws up 40 TP for CE, but when you check LHR-LPA it correctly gives 80 TPs. I believe I have identified the reason for your error in calling LPA a non-short haul+ route

Also, I agree the calculator says no for FUE, but as I noted earlier I can't see why it would say no. It meets the distance criteria, so perhaps an error on the calculator - I will let you off for this one