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OZ 214 ICN-SFO (reg no HL-7742), a 2006 Boeing 777-200ER with P&W PW4090 engines; flew ICN - KIX - ICN immediately prior (not as OZ 214). 291 passengers and 16 crew on board. 3 people dead, 48 seriously injured, 132 less so.
Aircraft landed short on approach (VFR weather, ILS out of service, PAPI working) impacting the seawall delimiting runway 28L with main landing gear and then the tail 11:28 PDT, careering down the runway to a stop and ensuing fire. The empennage and both engines separated from the fuselage, and fire from an oil drip in engine no. 2 burnt a significant part of the upper forward fuselage.
Runway 28L / 10R was closed until 1700 PDT 12 July; all SFO runways are open.
Here is a Link to the Flightaware track. (6 Jul 2013).
Link to original BBC article; Link to BBC photo show
Update: 08 July 2013
Summary of NTSB press conference
Update: 09 July 2013
SF Gate summary of NTSB press conference
Update: 10 July 2013
NBC video and summary of NTSB press conference
Update: 11 July 2013
San Jose Mercury summary of final NTSB press conference
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OZ 214 ICN-SFO (reg no HL-7742), a 2006 Boeing 777-200ER with P&W PW4090 engines; flew ICN - KIX - ICN immediately prior (not as OZ 214). 291 passengers and 16 crew on board. 3 people dead, 48 seriously injured, 132 less so.
Aircraft landed short on approach (VFR weather, ILS out of service, PAPI working) impacting the seawall delimiting runway 28L with main landing gear and then the tail 11:28 PDT, careering down the runway to a stop and ensuing fire. The empennage and both engines separated from the fuselage, and fire from an oil drip in engine no. 2 burnt a significant part of the upper forward fuselage.
Runway 28L / 10R was closed until 1700 PDT 12 July; all SFO runways are open.
Here is a Link to the Flightaware track. (6 Jul 2013).
Link to original BBC article; Link to BBC photo show
Update: 08 July 2013
Summary of NTSB press conference
Update: 09 July 2013
SF Gate summary of NTSB press conference
Update: 10 July 2013
NBC video and summary of NTSB press conference
Update: 11 July 2013
San Jose Mercury summary of final NTSB press conference
PLEASE NOTE: Due to the sensitive nature of an aircraft crash, Senior Moderators ask that posts be made keeping the surviving passengers, crewmembers and their families in mind. Posts that do not comply with TOS (off-topic and dilatory posts, OMNI, conspiracies, inflammatory, etc.) will be summarily deleted.
Asiana Airline OZ214 777 crash at SFO (6 Jul 2013)
Jul 6, 2013, 6:20 pm
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From the ATC archive linked upthread, there was no warning before the crash. ATC can be heard telling the pilots that emergency vehicles are on the way following the impact.
Jul 6, 2013, 6:22 pm
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Are any of you also reading the thread on Travelbuzz? Did anyone hear the incredible interview with one of the survivors from the crash "Benjamin Levy?" He said he popped the rear door but the slide didn't inflate and helped people out of the plane. He said he also knew they were coming in way too low (flies in and out of SFO regularly) and heard the captain try to fire up the engines again but too late.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...hdown-sfo.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...hdown-sfo.html
Jul 6, 2013, 6:22 pm
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From what I have seen (and I have been Internet challenged today), the last door did not open (at least on the R side). I wonder why. Did the L side open?
This is almost 5 hours later, you would think if people died inside, they would have found them. I am hoping it is simply a math error in the chaos of something like this. Survivability in this kind of crash should be pretty good nowadays.
This is almost 5 hours later, you would think if people died inside, they would have found them. I am hoping it is simply a math error in the chaos of something like this. Survivability in this kind of crash should be pretty good nowadays.
Jul 6, 2013, 6:23 pm
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What amazes me is that the US English language website has absolutely nothing about the crash - no phone number to call for family numbers, no link to press reports and no statement of their own! In fact if you run a flight status on it, it says it is still flying/arrived 1117am. What kind of Mickey Mouse operation is this?
http://us.flyasiana.com/Global/US/en...SVIEW&seq=2402
"Asiana Airlines flight OZ214 (Aircraft Registration HL7742) departed Incheon International Airport
on July 6, 2013 at 16:35 (Korea time) bound for San Francisco. Only July 7, 2013 at 11:28 (Local time)
an accident occurred as OZ214 was making a landing on San Francisco International Airport's runway 28.
There were a total of 291 passengers (19 business class, 272 travel class) and 16 cabin crew aboard. The majority of the passengers were comprised of 77 Korean citizens, 141 Chinese citizens, 61 US citizens, 1 Japanese citizen, etc. for a total of 291 people.
Asiana Airlines is currently investigating the specific cause of the incident as well as any injuries that may have been sustained to passengers as a result. Asiana Airlines will continue to cooperate fully with the investigation of all associated government agencies and to facilitate this cooperation has established an emergency response center at its headquarters.
At this point no additional information has been confirmed. New developments will be announced as more information becomes available."
Jul 6, 2013, 6:25 pm
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I wonder what the SOP is at Immigration for this kind of situation. Remember, unless it is transit-without-visa, most of the passengers have valid US visa and very few, if any, would have been denied entry. So, it is not like they are taking advantage of the situaiton and try to sneak into the US now.
The are probably all in shock, want to see their loved ones and want to figure out what to do next - some might not have anything - documentation, money, mobile phones, etc.
I would expect OZ would have SOP for this kind of thing, including updating the website. I would not expect it to be a total revamp of the website - like what UA and AA did after 9/11. When the Colgan Air (CO Exporess) crashed in BUF, CO basically washed its hand and linked to Colgan Air's website.
I like to take this opportunity to urge people to take safety instructions and exit door responsibilities seriously and keep the stuff under the seats during takeoff and landing. I think the majority don't and as we can see, crashes like this still happen.
The are probably all in shock, want to see their loved ones and want to figure out what to do next - some might not have anything - documentation, money, mobile phones, etc.
I would expect OZ would have SOP for this kind of thing, including updating the website. I would not expect it to be a total revamp of the website - like what UA and AA did after 9/11. When the Colgan Air (CO Exporess) crashed in BUF, CO basically washed its hand and linked to Colgan Air's website.
I like to take this opportunity to urge people to take safety instructions and exit door responsibilities seriously and keep the stuff under the seats during takeoff and landing. I think the majority don't and as we can see, crashes like this still happen.
Jul 6, 2013, 6:26 pm
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A person from the SF Dept of Emerg Mgmt is on CNN is now reporting that with the information they have, only 4 are unaccounted for, but isn't giving any other specific numbers, so we don't know if that is accurate.
Jul 6, 2013, 6:26 pm
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The Washington Post's coverage includes this ominous line: “It flipped...hit the ground,” said one teenage boy who said he was aboard the flight. “The top just totally collapsed on top of a lot of people.”
Looking at the photos, much of the "top" is not visible -- the roof of the plane, structural members and conduit that is between the roof and ceiling, the overhead bins and contents of the overhead bins -- is gone. Perhaps it fell inside the plane and passengers were trapped/pinned underneath it.
Looking at the photos, much of the "top" is not visible -- the roof of the plane, structural members and conduit that is between the roof and ceiling, the overhead bins and contents of the overhead bins -- is gone. Perhaps it fell inside the plane and passengers were trapped/pinned underneath it.
Have y'all seen this graphic? I didn't see it posted in the thread. Interesting. I wasn't aware the Flightaware data was even this detailed. FlightAware data for yesterday (safe) vs. today (crash).
Jul 6, 2013, 6:28 pm
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At this point, there are photos of the pax departing the plane, and at that point the roof appears still intact. It is now destroyed, apparently by fire. It seems very unlikely that the top "collapsed on top of a lot of people." Not that I would dare call a teen who just went through a plane crash an unreliable witness.
Jul 6, 2013, 6:29 pm
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they just posted
http://us.flyasiana.com/Global/US/en...SVIEW&seq=2402
"Asiana Airlines flight OZ214 (Aircraft Registration HL7742) departed Incheon International Airport
on July 6, 2013 at 16:35 (Korea time) bound for San Francisco. Only July 7, 2013 at 11:28 (Local time)
an accident occurred as OZ214 was making a landing on San Francisco International Airport's runway 28.
There were a total of 291 passengers (19 business class, 272 travel class) and 16 cabin crew aboard. The majority of the passengers were comprised of 77 Korean citizens, 141 Chinese citizens, 61 US citizens, 1 Japanese citizen, etc. for a total of 291 people.
Asiana Airlines is currently investigating the specific cause of the incident as well as any injuries that may have been sustained to passengers as a result. Asiana Airlines will continue to cooperate fully with the investigation of all associated government agencies and to facilitate this cooperation has established an emergency response center at its headquarters.
At this point no additional information has been confirmed. New developments will be announced as more information becomes available."
http://us.flyasiana.com/Global/US/en...SVIEW&seq=2402
"Asiana Airlines flight OZ214 (Aircraft Registration HL7742) departed Incheon International Airport
on July 6, 2013 at 16:35 (Korea time) bound for San Francisco. Only July 7, 2013 at 11:28 (Local time)
an accident occurred as OZ214 was making a landing on San Francisco International Airport's runway 28.
There were a total of 291 passengers (19 business class, 272 travel class) and 16 cabin crew aboard. The majority of the passengers were comprised of 77 Korean citizens, 141 Chinese citizens, 61 US citizens, 1 Japanese citizen, etc. for a total of 291 people.
Asiana Airlines is currently investigating the specific cause of the incident as well as any injuries that may have been sustained to passengers as a result. Asiana Airlines will continue to cooperate fully with the investigation of all associated government agencies and to facilitate this cooperation has established an emergency response center at its headquarters.
At this point no additional information has been confirmed. New developments will be announced as more information becomes available."
Jul 6, 2013, 6:30 pm
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as i understand in situations like this, they gather as much information and report them to a media designee at certain intervals...(ie. how many went to which hospital and injuries, how many have been found etc).
for those uninjured, the airport authority at a safe location will stage buses or vehicles and transport them to a waiting area. there may be some disoriented by the whole event and wonder off. waiting area may include grief counselors, medical staff, translators, immigration/homeland security staff, airline reps, embassy staff etc etc....
and god forbid, some may have perished on board. long story short, it will take time to verify and account for everyone....
sam/karen - rule #1 in emergency management, saving and preserving life comes first. the immigration stuff, will involve various departments and embassies.
for those uninjured, the airport authority at a safe location will stage buses or vehicles and transport them to a waiting area. there may be some disoriented by the whole event and wonder off. waiting area may include grief counselors, medical staff, translators, immigration/homeland security staff, airline reps, embassy staff etc etc....
and god forbid, some may have perished on board. long story short, it will take time to verify and account for everyone....
sam/karen - rule #1 in emergency management, saving and preserving life comes first. the immigration stuff, will involve various departments and embassies.
Jul 6, 2013, 6:30 pm
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My read on sequence of events based on the plane watcher eyewitness on CNN:
1. The tail hit the ground first and broke off causing the plane to rear up and then cartwheel and land again.
2. The rear section sucked off a few people into the ocean.
3. Originating in China is just wrong, this flight is from ICN-SFO.
1. The tail hit the ground first and broke off causing the plane to rear up and then cartwheel and land again.
2. The rear section sucked off a few people into the ocean.
3. Originating in China is just wrong, this flight is from ICN-SFO.
Jul 6, 2013, 6:32 pm
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I apologize-haven't read every post. Looks to me like they hit the seawall on approach. Could be a number of reasons. Too much debris behind the line where the runway actually begins.
Jul 6, 2013, 6:34 pm
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Jul 6, 2013, 6:37 pm
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I don't think we'll see accurate numbers beyond the passenger manifest for hours.
In the meantime, SF Emergency Services is saying that four people are unaccounted for while the fire dept. said 60. I'm sure that everyone is working together to reconcile the numbers.
See http://accura.cc/v7bwn4
In the meantime, SF Emergency Services is saying that four people are unaccounted for while the fire dept. said 60. I'm sure that everyone is working together to reconcile the numbers.
See http://accura.cc/v7bwn4