Costa Rica - what's the point for PDX customers?
May 22, 2015, 1:39 am
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Frankly, this flight would make much more sense as a red eye departing lax, arriving CR first thing in the a.m., and an early am flight CR back to LAX. Better for connections at LAX, and also for onward travel out of SJO at least.
May 22, 2015, 2:19 am
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Not if the goal is to capture the business travel market in addition to the leisure market.
May 22, 2015, 2:28 am
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{snort} Well stated.
Yes, any discussion about crappy PDX service inevitably devolves to unsubstantiated claims by the usual coward(s) regarding profitability and ad hominem attacks on Portland and Portlanders. Tiresome but predictable.
I don't mind connecting through Seattle for my AS travel if I have to (and the extra 1,000 miles is great), but a 2:30 am arrival with 4 hour middle of the night layover is a deal killer. Hey, but you Seattle folk enjoy your time in Costa Rica. I think I can figure something else out.
--mcz
Yes, any discussion about crappy PDX service inevitably devolves to unsubstantiated claims by the usual coward(s) regarding profitability and ad hominem attacks on Portland and Portlanders. Tiresome but predictable.
I don't mind connecting through Seattle for my AS travel if I have to (and the extra 1,000 miles is great), but a 2:30 am arrival with 4 hour middle of the night layover is a deal killer. Hey, but you Seattle folk enjoy your time in Costa Rica. I think I can figure something else out.
--mcz
You're making a lot of unsubstantiated accusations and showing quite a persecution complex over this. Try not to take such personal offense to what ultimately amounts of a business decision aimed at achieving the highest profits. Can't really fault AS for that.
May 22, 2015, 2:59 am
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Aren't most other flights from the US redeyes? Perhaps a different segment of the population will react positively to a daytime flight. Obviously these folks aren't from ANC 
Originally Posted by rjque
Not if the goal is to capture the business travel market in addition to the leisure market.
May 22, 2015, 3:45 am
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(I'll just say this: one of SEA-LAX-MEX is a kind of similar route, an overnight redeye through LAX, though the redeye's going the other way to MEX. AS loves that route so much they're giving it up to AA.)
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May 22, 2015, 8:54 am
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Aren't most other flights from the US redeyes? Perhaps a different segment of the population will react positively to a daytime flight. Obviously these folks aren't from ANC
Aren't most other flights from the US redeyes? Perhaps a different segment of the population will react positively to a daytime flight. Obviously these folks aren't from ANC
May 22, 2015, 11:25 am
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Pointing out that PDX is not the most important hub for AS is not an ad-hominem attack. You are way overestimating the value of PDX connections. AS has clearly decided that the value of daytime flights to Costa Rica is higher than the value of timing for PDX connections.
You're making a lot of unsubstantiated accusations and showing quite a persecution complex over this. Try not to take such personal offense to what ultimately amounts of a business decision aimed at achieving the highest profits. Can't really fault AS for that.
You're making a lot of unsubstantiated accusations and showing quite a persecution complex over this. Try not to take such personal offense to what ultimately amounts of a business decision aimed at achieving the highest profits. Can't really fault AS for that.
As an outsider, I'm not really sure PDX is on most people's radar as a hub or a destination.
May 22, 2015, 12:11 pm
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Here's an entire thread with not one piece of useful data, criticizing a for-profit business for making business decisions based on millions of data points.
If someone has the data to suggest that AS has this wrong, they should put that into a proposal for consulting services to AS and submit it to outsource AS' RM/IM operation.
Otherwise, just a lot of complaining w. zero facts.
If someone has the data to suggest that AS has this wrong, they should put that into a proposal for consulting services to AS and submit it to outsource AS' RM/IM operation.
Otherwise, just a lot of complaining w. zero facts.
May 22, 2015, 1:48 pm
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May 22, 2015, 7:27 pm
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May 23, 2015, 8:26 am
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I know the PDX area isn't nearly as large as Los Angeles, but there are two million people living in the Portland metropolitan area, not just the 600,000 living in Portland proper.
May 23, 2015, 3:24 pm
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Pointing out that PDX is not the most important hub for AS is not an ad-hominem attack. You are way overestimating the value of PDX connections. AS has clearly decided that the value of daytime flights to Costa Rica is higher than the value of timing for PDX connections.
You're making a lot of unsubstantiated accusations and showing quite a persecution complex over this. Try not to take such personal offense to what ultimately amounts of a business decision aimed at achieving the highest profits. Can't really fault AS for that.
You're making a lot of unsubstantiated accusations and showing quite a persecution complex over this. Try not to take such personal offense to what ultimately amounts of a business decision aimed at achieving the highest profits. Can't really fault AS for that.
I'm actually somewhat ambivalent about AS's PDX service deficiencies. AS can do whatever it wants and if it works for me, great, if it doesn't, I fly with someone else--these days usually American. No big deal...I can cross-post the miles in either event.
As for AS's profit and routing strategies, the most annoying thing is when posters substitute their speculation for factual knowledge. Anonymous posters with strong unsubstantiated opinions are a dime a dozen on internet forums. Moreover, just because some guy in the executive suite wearing a fancy suit gets to make decisions doesn't mean he makes the right call all the time.
PDX has been growing rapidly and all predictions are that it will continue to do so. As others have noted, PDX (the airport) already serves over 2 million. Maybe AS is savvy to all this and has it all factored into their long-term planning, maybe not. I don't claim to know. But there is something to be said for currying favor with the local populace (and governments) as a long-term strategy even if it might not optimize short-terms profits.
So, there you go. Laissez les Bon Temps Rouler.
--mcz