AS adds more PDX-HNL flights
Feb 25, 2015, 9:33 pm
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AS adds more PDX-HNL flights
PDX-HNL suddenly going 9x/week from June 2015. This comes on the heels of DL announcing they are resuming PDX-HNL. Coincidence or is AS fighting back?
Feb 25, 2015, 11:27 pm
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Feb 26, 2015, 12:04 am
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Pre-emptive strike against DL and HA?
When does HA get the airbii in?
When does HA get the airbii in?
Feb 26, 2015, 6:56 am
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I was not aware that Delta was restarting PDX-HNL. That's good for the consumer in the short term. In the long term we'll see. I am sure that this is more damage for Hawaiian Airlines than anyone else.
Feb 26, 2015, 7:43 am
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HA's A321neos are supposed to start arriving in 2017, but they have an A330 on PDX-HNL now.
Feb 26, 2015, 8:12 am
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Feb 26, 2015, 10:02 am
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Feb 26, 2015, 10:09 am
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Feb 26, 2015, 11:26 am
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Not necessarily. There is a "peak" season to Hawaii during the summer because a lot of families will travel to Hawaii while the kids are on vacation. US Airways adds flights out of Phoenix to Hawaii during the summer, too. AA is adding a third nonstop from DFW to HNL on Saturdays during the summer. AS is doing the same.
Feb 26, 2015, 4:59 pm
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As for "damaging" Hawaiian, as mentioned by someone else, adding these 2 flights still leaves them offering about 600 less seats a week than HA. Given HAL's loads and price point out of PDX, I don't think they're worried.
Feb 26, 2015, 6:30 pm
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In the end this causes someone to pull out. Hawaiian used to run PDX-OGG and it was a fine flight with reasonable fares. Competition caused both Alaska and Hawaiian to keep fares in check. But in the end Hawaiian realized they could do better and maximize its yield by redeploying the planes somewhere else. As Hawaiian left PDX-OGG the fares have skyrocketed.
Competition is good, until one finds they can make more money elsewhere.
Feb 27, 2015, 1:23 am
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anytime there are more seats in the market it will surpress fares because more airlines and flights will be competing for the same passenger. As the price drops more will fly, but the airline makes less money.
In the end this causes someone to pull out. Hawaiian used to run PDX-OGG and it was a fine flight with reasonable fares. Competition caused both Alaska and Hawaiian to keep fares in check. But in the end Hawaiian realized they could do better and maximize its yield by redeploying the planes somewhere else. As Hawaiian left PDX-OGG the fares have skyrocketed.
Competition is good, until one finds they can make more money elsewhere.
In the end this causes someone to pull out. Hawaiian used to run PDX-OGG and it was a fine flight with reasonable fares. Competition caused both Alaska and Hawaiian to keep fares in check. But in the end Hawaiian realized they could do better and maximize its yield by redeploying the planes somewhere else. As Hawaiian left PDX-OGG the fares have skyrocketed.
Competition is good, until one finds they can make more money elsewhere.
True... PDX-OGG on HAL was a casualty of being able to use limited resources in a more profitable environment. I wouldn't be shocked if this route returns when the 321neo's arrive, if not sooner.
Feb 27, 2015, 6:16 am
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Feb 27, 2015, 7:03 am
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Not all capacity added will cause the depression of fares and create a loser. If the market can warrant more seats and a profit, it's all good. If the additional capacity causes those in the market to slash their fares to fill their seats, we've got a problem. I suspect an incremental and small addition of 2 weekly flights in the peak season, when the airlines command their highest fares won't do any damage.
True... PDX-OGG on HAL was a casualty of being able to use limited resources in a more profitable environment. I wouldn't be shocked if this route returns when the 321neo's arrive, if not sooner.
True... PDX-OGG on HAL was a casualty of being able to use limited resources in a more profitable environment. I wouldn't be shocked if this route returns when the 321neo's arrive, if not sooner.
PDX-OGG returning on Hawaiian can make sense, but with those planes it's between 220 and 240 seats added with each flight. Can the market sustain that daily at the current fares? Doubtful and that's where it gets into trouble for the airline....they could go back to the alternate day flight, which they ran for a number of years before going daily. We'll have to see. But Alaska likely won't stand by idle either....maybe adding more, and this is where it all starts getting out of whack.
But it's all a game....