Suspension of all OW benefits?
Aug 22, 2017, 4:06 am
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Suspension of all OW benefits?
Hi,
Not sure if anyone can point me to a policy, but just got off the phone with AB regarding a booking in September, as I wanted to reserve good seats (as a BAEC/OWE)
Was told that due to the insolvency, AB was no longer in the OneWorld alliance and was, therefore, suspending any benefits to elites from other member airlines.
That didn't sound quite right but wanted to see if any FT members have been told the same thing?
Thanks,
EPA
Not sure if anyone can point me to a policy, but just got off the phone with AB regarding a booking in September, as I wanted to reserve good seats (as a BAEC/OWE)
Was told that due to the insolvency, AB was no longer in the OneWorld alliance and was, therefore, suspending any benefits to elites from other member airlines.
That didn't sound quite right but wanted to see if any FT members have been told the same thing?
Thanks,
EPA
Aug 22, 2017, 4:13 am
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Not as of yesterday !
I just came back from Hong Kong on BA and had access to Cathays "The Wing" First Class lounge in Hong Kong on Sunday night and the Galleries First Class Lounge of BA in LHR yesterday. I do not believe the information given was correct, at the time being all One World perks should be still valid.
Aug 22, 2017, 7:33 am
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I just came back from Hong Kong on BA and had access to Cathays "The Wing" First Class lounge in Hong Kong on Sunday night and the Galleries First Class Lounge of BA in LHR yesterday. I do not believe the information given was correct, at the time being all One World perks should be still valid.
Somehow, I doubt the notion that lounge operators bill the FFPs directly - it's much easier to bill the operating airline.
What I could foresee that OW lounge access will be restricted to OW status passengers, who fly out with on AB metal (e.g. from ORD, JFK).
Aug 22, 2017, 7:50 am
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What is really odd is that my AB frequent flyer details have been removed from upcoming award bookings (Dec, Jan) on CX and QF when using check my trip. I am confident that they were part of the booking details before.
Aug 22, 2017, 8:01 am
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The question is which entity will CX bill for your lounge visit. I'd assume it'll be BA, because it is the operating airline.
Somehow, I doubt the notion that lounge operators bill the FFPs directly - it's much easier to bill the operating airline.
What I could foresee that OW lounge access will be restricted to OW status passengers, who fly out with on AB metal (e.g. from ORD, JFK).
Somehow, I doubt the notion that lounge operators bill the FFPs directly - it's much easier to bill the operating airline.
What I could foresee that OW lounge access will be restricted to OW status passengers, who fly out with on AB metal (e.g. from ORD, JFK).
But maybe they suspend AB, because AB gave away the status far too easy.
Aug 23, 2017, 4:47 am
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The operating carrier is the carrier with the obligation for deciding when/where it provides lounge access per the operating carrier's needs and the requirements placed on it by contractual obligation. BA's obligations to provide lounge access to AB elites with OW Sapphire/Emerald status end with AB's removal from OW.
Aug 23, 2017, 12:35 pm
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Bugger. I was about to make use of some flights to the US and was wondering if I should credit to my EY Plat or BAEC Gold (Emer) card to try and get maximum benefits. Looks like both may be done, and baggage may be the one I am most interested in.
Really hit the wall quickly.
Really hit the wall quickly.
Aug 23, 2017, 12:37 pm
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Although this falls in line with what happened with AA during chapter 11. I don‘t understand the differences between them, but AA still served as a full member:
https://www.oneworld.com/news-inform..._col_count%3D7
https://www.oneworld.com/news-inform..._col_count%3D7
Aug 23, 2017, 12:42 pm
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Aug 23, 2017, 1:32 pm
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One cannot compare one insolvency with another. If, when AB is the operating carrier, it is not able (because the court administering the insolvency) will not permit it to expend funds to pay for lounge access, then those lounges will deny service.
AA was a Chapter 11 proceeding in which it never ceased operating. While that is always a possible for AB, it is not likely.
The more AB spends on frills, the less it will have to operate. An easy decision for a court administering an insolvency or, for that matter, any prudent person.
AA was a Chapter 11 proceeding in which it never ceased operating. While that is always a possible for AB, it is not likely.
The more AB spends on frills, the less it will have to operate. An easy decision for a court administering an insolvency or, for that matter, any prudent person.
Aug 23, 2017, 1:43 pm
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Just flew two segments on AB yesterday Ord-txl and txl-vie and It was definitely mentioned in announcements that AB was a OW partner..btw flights were on time and crews were terrific ..hope it's the same on return flights the first week of September.
Aug 23, 2017, 3:16 pm
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Hi,
Not sure if anyone can point me to a policy, but just got off the phone with AB regarding a booking in September, as I wanted to reserve good seats (as a BAEC/OWE)
Was told that due to the insolvency, AB was no longer in the OneWorld alliance and was, therefore, suspending any benefits to elites from other member airlines.
That didn't sound quite right but wanted to see if any FT members have been told the same thing?
Thanks,
EPA
Not sure if anyone can point me to a policy, but just got off the phone with AB regarding a booking in September, as I wanted to reserve good seats (as a BAEC/OWE)
Was told that due to the insolvency, AB was no longer in the OneWorld alliance and was, therefore, suspending any benefits to elites from other member airlines.
That didn't sound quite right but wanted to see if any FT members have been told the same thing?
Thanks,
EPA
Aug 24, 2017, 3:54 am
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One cannot compare one insolvency with another. If, when AB is the operating carrier, it is not able (because the court administering the insolvency) will not permit it to expend funds to pay for lounge access, then those lounges will deny service.
AA was a Chapter 11 proceeding in which it never ceased operating. While that is always a possible for AB, it is not likely.
AA was a Chapter 11 proceeding in which it never ceased operating. While that is always a possible for AB, it is not likely.
Aug 24, 2017, 4:49 pm
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That isn't the case for AB. At best, it is cannibalized and the routes & aircraft keep flying.