Lufthansa in talks with Etihad to buy parts of AB business
Aug 16, 2016, 7:09 am
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Aug 17, 2016, 3:14 am
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Are you aware of any other competitor in the German market? We are talking about any Easyjets or Ryanairs but about the domestic market which is - probably different from the Netherlands with probably no to few domestic flights - massive. AB has eg about 100 domestic flights out and into DUS every day. And these are a PIA for the LH Group.
Aug 17, 2016, 3:25 am
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I guess you don't consider DB a competitor in the domestic market?
TheLocal.de: We'll crush German airlines, boasts Ryanair boss
CAPA: Ryanair, with costs 60% below Lufthansa's, begins an onslaught on domestic Germany
TheLocal.de: We'll crush German airlines, boasts Ryanair boss
CAPA: Ryanair, with costs 60% below Lufthansa's, begins an onslaught on domestic Germany
Aug 18, 2016, 1:10 pm
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I guess you don't consider DB a competitor in the domestic market?
TheLocal.de: We'll crush German airlines, boasts Ryanair boss
CAPA: Ryanair, with costs 60% below Lufthansa's, begins an onslaught on domestic Germany
TheLocal.de: We'll crush German airlines, boasts Ryanair boss
CAPA: Ryanair, with costs 60% below Lufthansa's, begins an onslaught on domestic Germany
Aug 18, 2016, 1:16 pm
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And Ryanair? They brag that they fly 12 airports. Have a look on their website.
Berlin Schönefeld
Bremen
Dortmund
Düsseldorf Weeze
Frankfurt-Hahn
Hamburg
Karlsruhe Baden
Köln
Leipzig-Halle
Memmingen
Stuttgart
Nürnberg
However, you find at the utmost three real airports (Cologne, Hamburg and Stuttgart) on that list and a bunch of tier two so-called airports which survive thanks to taxpayers' subsidies and have no real right to survive. As soon as the EU stops this madness and allows such airports to go bancrupt, Ryanair will face massive problems. Given that U2 appears to be more interesting.
Berlin Schönefeld
Bremen
Dortmund
Düsseldorf Weeze
Frankfurt-Hahn
Hamburg
Karlsruhe Baden
Köln
Leipzig-Halle
Memmingen
Stuttgart
Nürnberg
However, you find at the utmost three real airports (Cologne, Hamburg and Stuttgart) on that list and a bunch of tier two so-called airports which survive thanks to taxpayers' subsidies and have no real right to survive. As soon as the EU stops this madness and allows such airports to go bancrupt, Ryanair will face massive problems. Given that U2 appears to be more interesting.
Aug 19, 2016, 2:20 am
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Wow. I didn't realise how sensitive a subject the domestic German aviation market was. Or that Lufthansa even cared about it.
But I guess they have to try to make money somewhere!!
But by removing their brand from that market and forcing their captive market to LCC offerings, they seem to have opened the door to LCC penetration in the German market.
(What's your definition of a "real" airport? Don't "real" people live in the German regions? Or do "real" journeys require you first to travel to a more distant airport? And do "real" Germans not want to travel to Europe, but only to fly domestically? Is the market for domestic flights bigger than the market for European flights?)
But I guess they have to try to make money somewhere!!
But by removing their brand from that market and forcing their captive market to LCC offerings, they seem to have opened the door to LCC penetration in the German market.
(What's your definition of a "real" airport? Don't "real" people live in the German regions? Or do "real" journeys require you first to travel to a more distant airport? And do "real" Germans not want to travel to Europe, but only to fly domestically? Is the market for domestic flights bigger than the market for European flights?)
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Aug 19, 2016, 7:56 am
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Airport like Memmingen, Frankfurt-Hahn or Duesseldorf-Weeze are in the middle of nowhere and do only exist because they receive subsidies and they allow in particular Ryanair to use the facilities for small to no money. There is no real need for such airports, they would not exist.
Germany has quite a few real airports. I live in Duesseldorf and have three of these within a 70 minutes train ride, DUS, FRA and CGN. There is actual no need for airports burning money like Paderborn, Münster, Weeze or Dortmund - all in the same region.
Nuernberg probably exists because Siemens has its headquarter there, Bremen exists because Bremen is an independent state. Leipzig might loose even more traffic when BER ones becomes operative, it is less than one hour from the big place.
When talking about the domestic market. I have no figures available but I think DUS has 15 to 20 or so daily services each to MUC and TXL and probably half of this to HAM, STR and FRA. Given that there is quite a market on these main lines in Germany.
Germany has quite a few real airports. I live in Duesseldorf and have three of these within a 70 minutes train ride, DUS, FRA and CGN. There is actual no need for airports burning money like Paderborn, Münster, Weeze or Dortmund - all in the same region.
Nuernberg probably exists because Siemens has its headquarter there, Bremen exists because Bremen is an independent state. Leipzig might loose even more traffic when BER ones becomes operative, it is less than one hour from the big place.
When talking about the domestic market. I have no figures available but I think DUS has 15 to 20 or so daily services each to MUC and TXL and probably half of this to HAM, STR and FRA. Given that there is quite a market on these main lines in Germany.
Sep 12, 2016, 3:45 am
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Interesting read from Raffles on HFP this morning
http://www.headforpoints.com/2016/09...rcraft-routes/
http://www.headforpoints.com/2016/09...rcraft-routes/
Sep 12, 2016, 5:23 am
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NUE not only serves siemens... keep in mind Adidas/PUMA/Reebok, Faber Castell , Staedler, GFK and Playmobil all have their HQ on the outskirts of Nürnberg. also Bosch, Continental, MAN and others as well. so its quite busy. but I do agree germany can do well without so many airports.
Airport like Memmingen, Frankfurt-Hahn or Duesseldorf-Weeze are in the middle of nowhere and do only exist because they receive subsidies and they allow in particular Ryanair to use the facilities for small to no money. There is no real need for such airports, they would not exist.
Germany has quite a few real airports. I live in Duesseldorf and have three of these within a 70 minutes train ride, DUS, FRA and CGN. There is actual no need for airports burning money like Paderborn, Münster, Weeze or Dortmund - all in the same region.
Nuernberg probably exists because Siemens has its headquarter there, Bremen exists because Bremen is an independent state. Leipzig might loose even more traffic when BER ones becomes operative, it is less than one hour from the big place.
When talking about the domestic market. I have no figures available but I think DUS has 15 to 20 or so daily services each to MUC and TXL and probably half of this to HAM, STR and FRA. Given that there is quite a market on these main lines in Germany.
Germany has quite a few real airports. I live in Duesseldorf and have three of these within a 70 minutes train ride, DUS, FRA and CGN. There is actual no need for airports burning money like Paderborn, Münster, Weeze or Dortmund - all in the same region.
Nuernberg probably exists because Siemens has its headquarter there, Bremen exists because Bremen is an independent state. Leipzig might loose even more traffic when BER ones becomes operative, it is less than one hour from the big place.
When talking about the domestic market. I have no figures available but I think DUS has 15 to 20 or so daily services each to MUC and TXL and probably half of this to HAM, STR and FRA. Given that there is quite a market on these main lines in Germany.
Sep 12, 2016, 2:16 pm
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Interesting read from Raffles on HFP this morning
http://www.headforpoints.com/2016/09...rcraft-routes/
http://www.headforpoints.com/2016/09...rcraft-routes/
It would be very bad news if Eurowings take over these routes. No lounge access!
Sep 13, 2016, 1:32 am
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Sep 13, 2016, 1:37 am
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German newspaper Handelsblatt had some newsbits the last days. I understand that talks between LH and AB are near a deal. 40 AB planes and lots of AB staff and pilots are to change over to EW and the rebranding/rescheduling might take effect as soon as Nov 1st 2016.
Sep 13, 2016, 2:21 am
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LH hugs AB in order to try to keep at bay those Ryanair-like airlines of the world from becoming a major force in LH's home market.
Sep 13, 2016, 5:27 am
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Exactly... they are already suffering with Middle eastern airlines internationally. they are protecting AB from going under or being dumped by their overlords Etihad which would turn into open season for other low budget airlines like ryanair etc.