Another 787-9 due for NZ delivery soon
Jul 23, 2015, 5:42 am
#1
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Usually Auckland, NZ
Programs: NZ Elite (*G), QF S (OWR), UA 0.14MM
Posts: 690
Another 787-9 due for NZ delivery soon
Spotted this while checking flights arrival earlier this evening
Did a search on the flight number along with the usual sourcesbut yielded nothing meaningful.
So it is another 787-9 due for delivery this month:
Didn't know that NZ also lists positioning/non-revenue flights on public facing sites.
Wonder what's the reason for the cancellation for tomorrow (24th July) morning.
Did a search on the flight number along with the usual sources
So it is another 787-9 due for delivery this month:
For July, Boeing has delivered 5 787s so far with an additional 8 scheduled for delivery over the next 10 days. Air New Zealand will receive one of the 787-9 test aircraft that had under gone re-work and rebuilt to production standards. This aircraft, ZB002 (LN133, ZK-NZD) will be the 298th 787 delivered.
Wonder what's the reason for the cancellation for tomorrow (24th July) morning.
Jul 23, 2015, 6:18 am
#2
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: New Zealand
Programs: NZ Elite, QF Platinum (LTS), VA Platinum
Posts: 1,672
I was just wondering when the next one was due. Aug 11th there's no 787 Akl - perth listed and I refuse to believe the flight's fully booked out and that's why it's not showing. Will have to do some homework.
Jul 23, 2015, 8:07 am
#3
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Australia
Programs: QF Gold, NZ *G, TK Elite *G
Posts: 186
Probably just not operating due to lower demand over winter. AKL-PER isnt operating on Tuesdays for the rest of July and August. Same thing happened in May and part of June when the flight was reduced to 5-6x weekly
Jul 23, 2015, 11:32 am
#4
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: New Zealand (most of the time)
Programs: Air NZ Elite *G, Honors Gold, IHG Platinum Elite
Posts: 6,118
2 new 789's arrive in the coming weeks. These are both the test frames that were reworked for Air NZ and there was plenty of talk that Air NZ basically got given these for a steal as compensation for the delays as launch customer.
Chatting to somebody about a year ago about these both frames were going to be quite different in many ways to the other frames as they were test frames and were going to weight quite a bit more than the newer frames. I'm not sure how much of a difference was made during the reworking.
NRT loses the 763 from mid August as well, which I'm sure nobody will miss.
Chatting to somebody about a year ago about these both frames were going to be quite different in many ways to the other frames as they were test frames and were going to weight quite a bit more than the newer frames. I'm not sure how much of a difference was made during the reworking.
NRT loses the 763 from mid August as well, which I'm sure nobody will miss.
Jul 23, 2015, 11:43 am
#5
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Austin, Texas
Programs: Airline nobody. Sad!
Posts: 26,062
.
Jul 23, 2015, 2:24 pm
#6
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: New Zealand (most of the time)
Programs: Air NZ Elite *G, Honors Gold, IHG Platinum Elite
Posts: 6,118
I flew back from NRT earlier in the month on the 763. Despite there only being 11 people in BP I felt sorry for the crew having to give a big apology speech to quite a few who were disappointed they were on it.
Jul 23, 2015, 6:00 pm
#7
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Usually Auckland, NZ
Programs: NZ Elite (*G), QF S (OWR), UA 0.14MM
Posts: 690
2 new 789's arrive in the coming weeks. These are both the test frames that were reworked for Air NZ and there was plenty of talk that Air NZ basically got given these for a steal as compensation for the delays as launch customer.
Chatting to somebody about a year ago about these both frames were going to be quite different in many ways to the other frames as they were test frames and were going to weight quite a bit more than the newer frames. I'm not sure how much of a difference was made during the reworking.
NRT loses the 763 from mid August as well, which I'm sure nobody will miss.
Chatting to somebody about a year ago about these both frames were going to be quite different in many ways to the other frames as they were test frames and were going to weight quite a bit more than the newer frames. I'm not sure how much of a difference was made during the reworking.
NRT loses the 763 from mid August as well, which I'm sure nobody will miss.
Even if it's not as good and say a 15% diminished range, with the -9 rated at "typical range 15400km" that would mean ~13090km.
If we then factor in another 10% range deficit due to NZ's configuration that's Y heavy (302 Vs 280 for Boeing quoted typical layout), that's still a possible ~11781km range.
AKL-NRT is 8806km
AKL-PVG is 9346km
(AKL-SFO is 10487km)
(AKL-LAX is 10467km)
NZ would certainly have no issues accepting these 2 frames for "a steal" on the routes that they currently deploy the -9s to.
Also found this old Payload V Range chart which some might find interesting.
Jul 23, 2015, 6:56 pm
#8
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: New Zealand
Programs: NZ Elite, QF Platinum (LTS), VA Platinum
Posts: 1,672
That's interesting, I had no idea it was only 20km difference between SFO and LAX from AKL as the crow flies. Math and triangles were a long time ago though.
Jul 23, 2015, 7:42 pm
#9
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: SYD
Programs: QF LTG, VASG, NZ*S, OZD, IHG SpireAMB, HHD
Posts: 1,421
It is mean of NZ to market it as BP. I think TT is a good place for the 763 or pacific islands. I still think they should market it as a PE product rather than BP or REALLY reduce the price. Aim for a value for money target. It's not fair on their crews having to explain to unsuspecting passengers, nor does it encourage those passengers to rebook with NZ. They will feel cheated and then they'll tell their friends etc
Jul 23, 2015, 7:48 pm
#10
Join Date: Feb 2011
Programs: NZ*E
Posts: 810
Spotted this while checking flights arrival earlier this evening
Did a search on the flight number along with the usual sourcesbut yielded nothing meaningful.
So it is another 787-9 due for delivery this month:
Didn't know that NZ also lists positioning/non-revenue flights on public facing sites.
Wonder what's the reason for the cancellation for tomorrow (24th July) morning.
Did a search on the flight number along with the usual sources
So it is another 787-9 due for delivery this month:
Didn't know that NZ also lists positioning/non-revenue flights on public facing sites.
Wonder what's the reason for the cancellation for tomorrow (24th July) morning.
but back to topic, good to have new planes but existing 789s already show their age..... was on ZK-NZF and already showing its age
Jul 23, 2015, 10:04 pm
#11
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: New Zealand (most of the time)
Programs: Air NZ Elite *G, Honors Gold, IHG Platinum Elite
Posts: 6,118
It'll be interesting to see what happens with the last 2x 763s that they are now keeping (which I've posted on here a few times I've been told are being kept for DPS/HNL and TT flights).
It would be very logical to simply market this as a PE offering on those routes, as part of the reason for keeping them is apparently that a lot of people sitting up the front on these routes are flying on upgrades rather than being full paying pax.
It would be very logical to simply market this as a PE offering on those routes, as part of the reason for keeping them is apparently that a lot of people sitting up the front on these routes are flying on upgrades rather than being full paying pax.
Jul 24, 2015, 12:33 am
#13
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Usually Auckland, NZ
Programs: NZ Elite (*G), QF S (OWR), UA 0.14MM
Posts: 690
Jul 24, 2015, 12:33 am
#14
Join Date: Feb 2007
Programs: NZ Koru
Posts: 6,415
Jul 24, 2015, 1:25 am
#15
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: New Zealand (most of the time)
Programs: Air NZ Elite *G, Honors Gold, IHG Platinum Elite
Posts: 6,118