AF announces new longhaul airline brand based @CDG
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As NickB points out, Norwegian is a "new" attempt and I hope their business model will succeed. But the jury is still out and it is unclear whether legacy airlines like BA will manage to make them fail outside of Scandinavia, as has been the case for other longhaul LCC.
Similarly, Air Transat has some success but that is in part due to the specific Canadian market. I suppose that we could find some mini examples, but nothing on the scale contemplated.
Starting a separate longhaul LCC out of France using current AF staff seems weird. My guess is that AF will use this "brand" for COI flights plus a few other leisure destinations such as BKK where they already use the leisure config. It sounds simply like putting a specific stamp on existing flights using existing ac. The carrot for unions is the reopening of closed routes.
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I guess that as long as beds are not in use during take off and landing, there would not be too many possible in-flight issues with people in beds.
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Air France awaits union go-ahead for new subsidiary
Originally Posted by ATWOnline
Air France’s new, lower-cost long- and medium-haul airline will initially use Airbus A340s on its long-distance routes.
The new operation, which is being created under the interim name Boost, will include new A350s from 2019, but initial long-haul services from summer 2018 will operate the older four-engined type.
Prior to that, medium-haul services will begin in autumn 2017 using A320-family aircraft.
The French flag carrier has previously said the Boost fleet will not exceed 18 medium- and 10 long-haul aircraft.
The new operation, which is being created under the interim name Boost, will include new A350s from 2019, but initial long-haul services from summer 2018 will operate the older four-engined type.
Prior to that, medium-haul services will begin in autumn 2017 using A320-family aircraft.
The French flag carrier has previously said the Boost fleet will not exceed 18 medium- and 10 long-haul aircraft.
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Pilots have voted at 58% in favor of the new BOOST airline long-haul subsidiary. 75% of pilots have participated to the poll.
http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-...ts-642774.html
http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-...ts-642774.html
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Pilots have voted at 58% in favor of the new BOOST airline long-haul subsidiary. 75% if pilots have participated to the poll.
http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-...ts-642774.html
http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-...ts-642774.html
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The result may be more nuanced than just saying "the pilots have voted in favour"....
Originally Posted by Airwise
SNPL said the vote clarifies the position of pilots but does not accept unilaterally the Air France proposals for the new airline. It said in a statement that many guarantees lacking in the airline’s proposal will have to be addressed by the company.
“We will continue to study the project in this new context and work to ensure it is a growth driver, including strong guarantees for Air France pilots,” the president of SNPL Air France Philippe Evain said.
The union sees further discussions necessary to find a compromise acceptable to the pilots.
“We will continue to study the project in this new context and work to ensure it is a growth driver, including strong guarantees for Air France pilots,” the president of SNPL Air France Philippe Evain said.
The union sees further discussions necessary to find a compromise acceptable to the pilots.
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Pilots approve low-cost
http://www.france24.com/fr/20170220-...agnie-low-cost
So that awful and costly strike was a complete waste of time?
So that awful and costly strike was a complete waste of time?
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Lol ! one of the ideas mentioned in this article
Basically thats already the case for Caribbean and Indian Ocean , i guess also some routes to Africa
No more first class (but still a business class) on these planes, and more seats per row in economy class.
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That was my thought as well. Nothing can be worse than a 77W COI, so I am optimistic about the seating configuration in the new airline.
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Well, given that something like Boost is essentially a somewhat subtle form of union busting, the union were hardly just gonna take the vote and say "that's alright then". Air France will play the game now that BA and LH have already played for years - play your current staff vs future staff.
Also, Air Canada must be peeved that someone's now taken the name "Boost" so they can't use it themselves for some off-shoot or price category for that matter.
Also, Air Canada must be peeved that someone's now taken the name "Boost" so they can't use it themselves for some off-shoot or price category for that matter.
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Pilots have voted at 58% in favor of the new BOOST airline long-haul subsidiary. 75% of pilots have participated to the poll.
http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-...ts-642774.html
http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-...ts-642774.html
But good in the sense that the pilots have taken away from themselves a reason to strike against the new venture. And good in the sense that they see the need for change.
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"Good". In inverted commas, because union support for a flawed business plan is obviously not really good.
But good in the sense that the pilots have taken away from themselves a reason to strike against the new venture. And good in the sense that they see the need for change.
But good in the sense that the pilots have taken away from themselves a reason to strike against the new venture. And good in the sense that they see the need for change.
To me this is clearly a long term plan. I think that this is the first time in recent decades that a plan is offered for longhaul. All previous low cost plans only affected medium haul. I heard that some longhaul pilots saw Boost as a way to keep their "avantages acquis", as they think that it will reduce the negotiation pressure on the longhaul mainline pilots.
But it is long term.plan. In the short run Boost will operate with high-operational-cost ac and AF pilots under their current rules and compensation. But one has to start somewhere.
Whether an AF low-cost longhaul airline to Asia is viable is another question.