Poaching rhinos / elephants, etc. Is it as bad as we are told?
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Industrialization and resource extraction in Tanzania are miniscule compared to its potential, certainly far less than in any industrialized country.
Nope. The Kilimanjaro National Park is well guarded against agricultural encroachment. What you see on Google Earth are legal and longstanding (mainly Wachagga) settlements outside the boundaries of the park.
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The Kruger National Park has just lost 27 rhinos in 10 days. That's to say, they have found 27 carcasses, there could be more. This in a place were at least an effort is being made to stop poaching, something that cannot be said for just about all the rest of Africa.
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A glimmer of hope - I did a morning anti poaching patrol in Kruger this morning, i am a volunteer and it is a public holiday, during our patrol we spotted a fair amount of these amazing beasts with youngsters, hopefully they will have the opportunity to grow!!! We met with the military men they have in Kruger, and they seem to have a few new plans up their sleeves, but did not want to divulge any more than that. Believe me the battle will be taken to these people.
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In South Africa poaching has escalated from lower levels to extremely high levels in the past couple years. Things are getting worse, not better.
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At current rates, the number of rhino lost to poaching in the KNP exceeds the number being born.
Johan
Back in the 80s there was a similar onslaught in the KNP, but then elephants were the target. That was brought under control, but the Apartheid regime in power back then could afford to be a bit more ruthless that what would be accepted today.
Johan
I doubt the Kilimanjaro NP is well guarded against anything.
"An unholy alliance is reportedly being formed among wildlife poachers and illegal forest loggers who are currently wrecking havoc around Mount Kilimanjaro in Moshi, with their Amboseli counterparts in neighbouring Kenya.
The conservator in-charge at Kilimanjaro National Park, Mr Erasto Lufungulo said the network of illegal hunters and logger operates in areas striding Arusha and Kilimanjaro National Parks in Tanzania and Amboseli and Tsavo Game Park in Kenya that happen to border one-another.
Kilimanjaro National Park, established in 1973, initially comprised the whole of the mountain above the tree line and six forest corridors stretching down through the mountain forest belt.
Following a 2005 extension, the National Park now includes the whole of the mountain above the tree line as well as the natural forest which previously was under Kilimanjaro Forest Reserve.
The park is directly connected to Amboseli National Park on the North, however, corridors to Arusha National Park and Tsavo National park have of late been encroached by human activities impacting on wildlife migration.
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Two points:
- Mr. Lufungulo may well be an honorable gentleman who is doing what he can to protect the park, but wildlife authorities in Tanzania are severely under-resourced, and corruption is rife.
- agricultural activities on park boundaries can be very detrimental, as they cut off natural migration routes, in effect turning the conservation area into an island refuge. This is a major problem (and cause of inter-tribal conflict) in Tanzania, where areas previously used by pastoralists are being settled by agriculturalists. In some places, e.g. the Ngorongoro Conservation Area, the pastoralists themselves have turned to subsistence agriculture.
Johan
Yeah, but there is no shortage of people who want to realize that potential, and no shortage of Chinese willing to assist, environmental consequences be damned.
The situation is bad enough as is:
THE END OF THE GAME? THE DECLINE AND DEPLETION OF TANZANIAS WILDLIFE
"The best available scientific data suggests that wildlife is declining in all of Tanzanias main wildlife areas and ecosystems, including those which feature large protected areas such as national parks and game reserves."
Johan
And you take the Tanzanian government on its word?
Wow!
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"An unholy alliance is reportedly being formed among wildlife poachers and illegal forest loggers who are currently wrecking havoc around Mount Kilimanjaro in Moshi, with their Amboseli counterparts in neighbouring Kenya.
The conservator in-charge at Kilimanjaro National Park, Mr Erasto Lufungulo said the network of illegal hunters and logger operates in areas striding Arusha and Kilimanjaro National Parks in Tanzania and Amboseli and Tsavo Game Park in Kenya that happen to border one-another.
Kilimanjaro National Park, established in 1973, initially comprised the whole of the mountain above the tree line and six forest corridors stretching down through the mountain forest belt.
Following a 2005 extension, the National Park now includes the whole of the mountain above the tree line as well as the natural forest which previously was under Kilimanjaro Forest Reserve.
The park is directly connected to Amboseli National Park on the North, however, corridors to Arusha National Park and Tsavo National park have of late been encroached by human activities impacting on wildlife migration.
"
Source
Two points:
- Mr. Lufungulo may well be an honorable gentleman who is doing what he can to protect the park, but wildlife authorities in Tanzania are severely under-resourced, and corruption is rife.
- agricultural activities on park boundaries can be very detrimental, as they cut off natural migration routes, in effect turning the conservation area into an island refuge. This is a major problem (and cause of inter-tribal conflict) in Tanzania, where areas previously used by pastoralists are being settled by agriculturalists. In some places, e.g. the Ngorongoro Conservation Area, the pastoralists themselves have turned to subsistence agriculture.
Johan
The situation is bad enough as is:
THE END OF THE GAME? THE DECLINE AND DEPLETION OF TANZANIAS WILDLIFE
"The best available scientific data suggests that wildlife is declining in all of Tanzanias main wildlife areas and ecosystems, including those which feature large protected areas such as national parks and game reserves."
Johan
Wow!
Johan
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The conservator in-charge at Kilimanjaro National Park, Mr Erasto Lufungulo said the network of illegal hunters and logger operates in areas striding Arusha and Kilimanjaro National Parks in Tanzania and Amboseli and Tsavo Game Park in Kenya that happen to border one-another.
agricultural activities on park boundaries can be very detrimental, as they cut off natural migration routes, in effect turning the conservation area into an island refuge. This is a major problem (and cause of inter-tribal conflict) in Tanzania, where areas previously used by pastoralists are being settled by agriculturalists. In some places, e.g. the Ngorongoro Conservation Area, the pastoralists themselves have turned to subsistence agriculture.
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Yes, gloom, doom and emotion... that's me! I don't deny it at all!
Why? Because I hope to actually see these animals, in the wild, in their glory or some semblance thereof. I want to see living, breathing animals enjoying life. I live around the corner from San Diego Zoo Safari park, so I can see them there, any old time, but I hope to actually go on safari, in Africa, and see them in situ.
I am no expert and many of you are clearly far more informed about the goings on in Africa than I am, so my only question to you, Austin runner, would be this: Are there more or less of these animals than there were 100 years ago? How about 100 weeks ago? 100 days? Show me those stats and make me feel happy emotions, would ya?
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As per the website IOL, this is just a joke, these guys got caught with 12 horns in their luggage, our law system yet again fails the country. The excuse, they could not find properly documented Vietnamese interpreters!!!
http://www.iol.co.za/illegal-rhino-h...reed-1.1508971
http://www.iol.co.za/illegal-rhino-h...reed-1.1508971
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I agree on that statement, luckily they did get some jail time before being set completely free. 12 Rhino horns on their possession in my book, counts for being guilty of something. They will be back soon doing what they do best, destruction for 'cultural' reasons.
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