Grand Canyon basic questions
Oct 28, 2017, 10:15 am
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Grand Canyon basic questions
Hi,
I'm going to visit my sister in Phoenix and we plan to go to the Grand Canyon November 15th and 16th. She mentioned taking the train down (I guess?) from Williams but is leaving the choice to me because she can go any time. If we would be there several days it might be good but just being there for what will amount to maybe half a day of viewing the canyon at this point I'd rather stay up top and view it from above. In a Youtube video they suggested these viewpoints:
Hermits Rest Transfer, Powell Point, Hopi Point, Pipe Creek Vista, Duck On A Rock, Grandview Point, Lipan Point,
Desert View (Watchtower east entrance), Mather Point
Does it seem like it might be a good thing to try making a point to view them?
In another video they mentiong Nankoweap Granaries near mile 53 but there was river rafting just before the mention, so is it accessable by car or just from the river? Can you actually go up into the granaries or only view them from below?
My sister suggested Sedona, and we will be staying overnight. Can anyone suggest a not very expensive place to stay that is located in a place that would be good for trying to experience the GC and Sedona plus travel time from Phoenix in only two days? Or should we forget about Sedona? Either way the lodging will be a consideration, and in another video they said everything is always booked 6 - 3 months in advance, depending how close or far to the GC. Is that close to correct? Or BS?
Thank you for any help and suggestions!
David
I'm going to visit my sister in Phoenix and we plan to go to the Grand Canyon November 15th and 16th. She mentioned taking the train down (I guess?) from Williams but is leaving the choice to me because she can go any time. If we would be there several days it might be good but just being there for what will amount to maybe half a day of viewing the canyon at this point I'd rather stay up top and view it from above. In a Youtube video they suggested these viewpoints:
Hermits Rest Transfer, Powell Point, Hopi Point, Pipe Creek Vista, Duck On A Rock, Grandview Point, Lipan Point,
Desert View (Watchtower east entrance), Mather Point
Does it seem like it might be a good thing to try making a point to view them?
In another video they mentiong Nankoweap Granaries near mile 53 but there was river rafting just before the mention, so is it accessable by car or just from the river? Can you actually go up into the granaries or only view them from below?
My sister suggested Sedona, and we will be staying overnight. Can anyone suggest a not very expensive place to stay that is located in a place that would be good for trying to experience the GC and Sedona plus travel time from Phoenix in only two days? Or should we forget about Sedona? Either way the lodging will be a consideration, and in another video they said everything is always booked 6 - 3 months in advance, depending how close or far to the GC. Is that close to correct? Or BS?
Thank you for any help and suggestions!
David
Oct 28, 2017, 3:19 pm
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I would say stay one night in Tusayan (near the south rim) and the other nights in Flagstaff (near Sedona).
Unless you plan on hiking down into the canyon you can get a good idea of the south rim in a couple days.
Inside the park lodging is a premium, but I bet you'll be able to find something in Tusayan, especially in November. If you're looking to just do one hotel, then do Flagstaff and do one full day at the grand canyon.
Travel times:
Central PHX-Flagstaff: 2 hours
PHX-Sedona: 1.5 hours
PHX-Grand Canyon: 3 hours
Flagstaff-Grand Canyon: 1 hour
Flagstaff-Sedona: 20 min via AZ 89A, 45 min via I-17 (AZ89A has been closed overnights between Sedona and Flagstaff for construction)
Unless you plan on hiking down into the canyon you can get a good idea of the south rim in a couple days.
Inside the park lodging is a premium, but I bet you'll be able to find something in Tusayan, especially in November. If you're looking to just do one hotel, then do Flagstaff and do one full day at the grand canyon.
Travel times:
Central PHX-Flagstaff: 2 hours
PHX-Sedona: 1.5 hours
PHX-Grand Canyon: 3 hours
Flagstaff-Grand Canyon: 1 hour
Flagstaff-Sedona: 20 min via AZ 89A, 45 min via I-17 (AZ89A has been closed overnights between Sedona and Flagstaff for construction)
Last edited by Lost; Oct 28, 2017 at 3:33 pm
Oct 28, 2017, 3:21 pm
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The train doesn't go down into the canyon. It takes you to the Grand Canyon Village on the South Rim.
https://www.thetrain.com/
Perhaps a better train tour is the Verde Canyon Railway which is a four-hour train tour leaving from Clarkdale, AZ, near Sedona.
https://verdecanyonrr.com/
https://www.thetrain.com/
Perhaps a better train tour is the Verde Canyon Railway which is a four-hour train tour leaving from Clarkdale, AZ, near Sedona.
https://verdecanyonrr.com/
Oct 28, 2017, 4:35 pm
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Welcome to FlyerTalk, nopeda! 
FlyerTalk is divided into fora for individual airlines, hotels, credit cards, destinations, etc. Therefore, let's move your query over to the US-West destination forum for further discussion.
/JY1024, TravelBuzz co-moderator
FlyerTalk is divided into fora for individual airlines, hotels, credit cards, destinations, etc. Therefore, let's move your query over to the US-West destination forum for further discussion.
/JY1024, TravelBuzz co-moderator
Oct 28, 2017, 6:12 pm
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In November, you won't have to care about the lack of AC in some of the Grand Canyon National Park lodges, which means any of them that is available would do. I would stay inside the park one night only, and the other days stay in Sedona. Flagstaff is much cheaper than Sedona but it is not red rock country and that experience and atmosphere is worth something.
Oct 28, 2017, 11:39 pm
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If all you have is two (full) days, here's my suggestion:
Leave Phoenix early on the 15th and drive (via I-17) through Flagstaff to the GCNP South Entrance. As noted, this is about a 3-4 hour drive. Enter the park.
Park near Bright Angel Lodge or Maswick if you can. Take the Red Hermit Road Shuttle Bus along Hermit Road. Powell Point and Hopi Point are stops along this route and you must disembark at Hermit's Rest and wait for a return bus to the Village. (Unless someone in the car has a disability, you cannot take a private vehicle on this route in November.) Powell Point and Hopi Point are adjacent so, given time limitations, I would suggest choosing one or the other.
Return to the Vilage. Spend as much time as you feel is reasonable in the "Village" area. Retrieve your vehicle and head East on Desert View Drive. I'd suggest stopping at Grandview Point and others if you have the time, but definitely try to make it to Desert View for sunset. After the sun sets, continue East out of the park to Cameron, Arizona.
Stay overnight at the Grand Canyon Hotel Lodge in Cameron. The Lodge is part of the 100-yr-old Cameron Trading Post. I've stayed there several times. The rooms are large and airy and decorated in a southwestern style, many with hand-made furniture. The Nov-Feb rates are considerably lower than the rest of the year. There's also a very nice restaurant in the trading post itself.
Get up the next morning and drive the 53 miles to Flagstaff and on to Sedona. After visiting Sedona, you can usually get fairly good mid-week rates at Cliff Castle Casino Hotel in Camp Verde (it's not that fancy!) in Camp Verde before returning to Phoenix - or just head back down to Phoenix (it's only 2 hrs from Sedona).
My second option would be to hit Sedona on the way up, get a room in Flagstaff (all the major chains are represented) and take the second day to tour the Grand Canyon. I would still suggest (in November) entering though the South gate and exiting through the East. (If it were high season, I would strongly suggest doing it the other way around, since the South Entrance is generally far more congested than Desert View.) Since you want to see overlooks from Hermit's Rest to Desert View, it makes little sense to "backtrack".
Have fun!
Leave Phoenix early on the 15th and drive (via I-17) through Flagstaff to the GCNP South Entrance. As noted, this is about a 3-4 hour drive. Enter the park.
Park near Bright Angel Lodge or Maswick if you can. Take the Red Hermit Road Shuttle Bus along Hermit Road. Powell Point and Hopi Point are stops along this route and you must disembark at Hermit's Rest and wait for a return bus to the Village. (Unless someone in the car has a disability, you cannot take a private vehicle on this route in November.) Powell Point and Hopi Point are adjacent so, given time limitations, I would suggest choosing one or the other.
Return to the Vilage. Spend as much time as you feel is reasonable in the "Village" area. Retrieve your vehicle and head East on Desert View Drive. I'd suggest stopping at Grandview Point and others if you have the time, but definitely try to make it to Desert View for sunset. After the sun sets, continue East out of the park to Cameron, Arizona.
Stay overnight at the Grand Canyon Hotel Lodge in Cameron. The Lodge is part of the 100-yr-old Cameron Trading Post. I've stayed there several times. The rooms are large and airy and decorated in a southwestern style, many with hand-made furniture. The Nov-Feb rates are considerably lower than the rest of the year. There's also a very nice restaurant in the trading post itself.
Get up the next morning and drive the 53 miles to Flagstaff and on to Sedona. After visiting Sedona, you can usually get fairly good mid-week rates at Cliff Castle Casino Hotel in Camp Verde (it's not that fancy!) in Camp Verde before returning to Phoenix - or just head back down to Phoenix (it's only 2 hrs from Sedona).
My second option would be to hit Sedona on the way up, get a room in Flagstaff (all the major chains are represented) and take the second day to tour the Grand Canyon. I would still suggest (in November) entering though the South gate and exiting through the East. (If it were high season, I would strongly suggest doing it the other way around, since the South Entrance is generally far more congested than Desert View.) Since you want to see overlooks from Hermit's Rest to Desert View, it makes little sense to "backtrack".
Have fun!
Oct 30, 2017, 1:28 pm
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Hi,
kale73 gives some great advice!^
My mother and I took a tour from Sedona to the grand canyon , after visiting the Sunset Crater NP and wupatki ruins we stopped at the Cameron Trading post for lunch ( the dining room is very nice) and bought a small handwoven rug.
We then stopped at the Desert View watchtower ( there you can see the Colorado river run North/South then East/West whereas at other viewpoints you will only see the east/west flow then drove and stopped enroute to the Grand canyon village.
Enjoy
Regards
TBS
kale73 gives some great advice!^
My mother and I took a tour from Sedona to the grand canyon , after visiting the Sunset Crater NP and wupatki ruins we stopped at the Cameron Trading post for lunch ( the dining room is very nice) and bought a small handwoven rug.
We then stopped at the Desert View watchtower ( there you can see the Colorado river run North/South then East/West whereas at other viewpoints you will only see the east/west flow then drove and stopped enroute to the Grand canyon village.
Enjoy
Regards
TBS
Oct 31, 2017, 2:28 am
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I stayed inside the South Rim at Maswik Lodge 3 nights last year, Nov 30-Dec 3 (Wed-Fri), and paid $78 per night including taxes, booked on Cheaptickets with a 20% off coupon.
I didn't realize at the time of booking, the last day Hermit's Rest (Red) Route runs is Nov 30. That won't affect the OP, but I thought I'd post that for future readers. You can find the bus schedules here: https://www.nps.gov/grca/planyourvis...ttle-buses.htm
I didn't realize at the time of booking, the last day Hermit's Rest (Red) Route runs is Nov 30. That won't affect the OP, but I thought I'd post that for future readers. You can find the bus schedules here: https://www.nps.gov/grca/planyourvis...ttle-buses.htm
Nov 2, 2017, 12:22 pm
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giving yourself 3 days and 2 nigts would be better.
day 1 am drive to grand canyon, pm there. night Tusayan. drive in via east entrance and see the view points
day 2 explore the west side, leave around 3pm for Sedona, night Sedona
day 3 Sedona, leave around 5pm for PHX
day 1 am drive to grand canyon, pm there. night Tusayan. drive in via east entrance and see the view points
day 2 explore the west side, leave around 3pm for Sedona, night Sedona
day 3 Sedona, leave around 5pm for PHX
Oct 23, 2018, 9:12 pm
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Tour vs. Do it Yourself
We have 2 days in the Flagstaff area. We'd definitely like to see the Grand Canyon on one of the days. I'm wondering if it's worth using a tour company such as: https://grandcanyon.com/tours/south-...rom-flagstaff/ or exploring the Grand Canyon on our own? If you recommend a tour company, which one do you recommend?
For the second day, we're debating between a jeep tour in Sedona: https://www.pinkadventuretours.com/s...nic-rim-combo/ (such as Broken Arrow/ Scenic Rim combo) or the Antelope Canyon and Horseshoe Bend tour: https://grandcanyon.com/tours/south-...ff-and-sedona/. Any thoughts on this, and if so, do you have a preferred jeep company and tour?
For the second day, we're debating between a jeep tour in Sedona: https://www.pinkadventuretours.com/s...nic-rim-combo/ (such as Broken Arrow/ Scenic Rim combo) or the Antelope Canyon and Horseshoe Bend tour: https://grandcanyon.com/tours/south-...ff-and-sedona/. Any thoughts on this, and if so, do you have a preferred jeep company and tour?
Oct 24, 2018, 1:54 am
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On the drive from Phoenix is Montezuma Castle. It's worth a stop for an hour..There are many others in the area but this is easily accessible and is visually stunning.
Oct 24, 2018, 12:23 pm
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We have 2 days in the Flagstaff area. We'd definitely like to see the Grand Canyon on one of the days. I'm wondering if it's worth using a tour company such as: https://grandcanyon.com/tours/south-...rom-flagstaff/ or exploring the Grand Canyon on our own? If you recommend a tour company, which one do you recommend?
For the second day, we're debating between a jeep tour in Sedona: https://www.pinkadventuretours.com/s...nic-rim-combo/ (such as Broken Arrow/ Scenic Rim combo) or the Antelope Canyon and Horseshoe Bend tour: https://grandcanyon.com/tours/south-...ff-and-sedona/. Any thoughts on this, and if so, do you have a preferred jeep company and tour?
For the second day, we're debating between a jeep tour in Sedona: https://www.pinkadventuretours.com/s...nic-rim-combo/ (such as Broken Arrow/ Scenic Rim combo) or the Antelope Canyon and Horseshoe Bend tour: https://grandcanyon.com/tours/south-...ff-and-sedona/. Any thoughts on this, and if so, do you have a preferred jeep company and tour?
My mother and I did the Grand Canyon Explorer tour with Redstone tours
Grand Canyon Tours from Sedona or Flagstaff
from Sedona ( we picked up a couple more pax at Flagstaff and dropped them off there too)
we went via the Sunset Crater Volcano National monument ,the Wupatki Ruins N.M ( both excellent) then lunch at the Cameron Trading Post ( beautiful dining room) then drove into the Grand Canyon NP with several beautiful stops ( including the Desert View Watch tower)
Of course driving yourself gives you the freedom to go and stop as you please ( it can be a long day though)
Regards
TBS
Oct 24, 2018, 4:14 pm
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We drove to GC from Flagstaff by way of Cameron Trading post, where we had lunch. Very easy drive which takes you the Navaho Reservation, nice lunch, and great souvenir shopping. At Grand Canyon, these lodges are in a row: El Tovar, Kachina, Thunderbird, Bright Angel. El Tovar is the epitome of the old fashioned log hunting lodge with a buffalo head, elk, etc. Very atmospheric. We stayed in Thunderbird and had dinner at El Tovar, for which you can make reservations online 30 days out, then breakfast at the original Fred Harvey restaurant in the Bright Angel.
The Red Route shuttle stop is outside Bright Angel and it makes about 9 or so stops at lookouts into the canyon on the way up to the last stop, Hermit’s Rest. You get a brochure describing the stops (5,000 foot drop overlook, etc.). You get off at the stops you pick and then take the next shuttle, which run about every 10 minutes. Coming back from Hermits Rest takes about 35 minutes. If you would like to hike between stops, there is one paved section about a mile long - ask the driver which stops it is between.
As as far as staying in Sedona, we used Marriot points at the excellent Courtyard which is in a gorgeous red rock setting a bit out of town. The drive from GC to Sedona on 89A is not for anybody who fears drop offs. Very mountainous, twisty, slow, no shoulder...max speed 35 MPH, or 20 or even 15 on the curves. But scenic.
If I were you coming from Phoenix, I would not make Sedona an overnight, just a drive through the red rock country. We stayed in Flagstaff at the Hilton Garden, which is very nice and usefully located right next to a Coco’s Cafe for an easy, inexpensive dinner for tired travelers.
The Red Route shuttle stop is outside Bright Angel and it makes about 9 or so stops at lookouts into the canyon on the way up to the last stop, Hermit’s Rest. You get a brochure describing the stops (5,000 foot drop overlook, etc.). You get off at the stops you pick and then take the next shuttle, which run about every 10 minutes. Coming back from Hermits Rest takes about 35 minutes. If you would like to hike between stops, there is one paved section about a mile long - ask the driver which stops it is between.
As as far as staying in Sedona, we used Marriot points at the excellent Courtyard which is in a gorgeous red rock setting a bit out of town. The drive from GC to Sedona on 89A is not for anybody who fears drop offs. Very mountainous, twisty, slow, no shoulder...max speed 35 MPH, or 20 or even 15 on the curves. But scenic.
If I were you coming from Phoenix, I would not make Sedona an overnight, just a drive through the red rock country. We stayed in Flagstaff at the Hilton Garden, which is very nice and usefully located right next to a Coco’s Cafe for an easy, inexpensive dinner for tired travelers.
Oct 24, 2018, 7:37 pm
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Hi,
My mother and I did the Grand Canyon Explorer tour with Redstone tours
Grand Canyon Tours from Sedona or Flagstaff
from Sedona ( we picked up a couple more pax at Flagstaff and dropped them off there too)
we went via the Sunset Crater Volcano National monument ,the Wupatki Ruins N.M ( both excellent) then lunch at the Cameron Trading Post ( beautiful dining room) then drove into the Grand Canyon NP with several beautiful stops ( including the Desert View Watch tower)
Of course driving yourself gives you the freedom to go and stop as you please ( it can be a long day though)
Regards
TBS
My mother and I did the Grand Canyon Explorer tour with Redstone tours
Grand Canyon Tours from Sedona or Flagstaff
from Sedona ( we picked up a couple more pax at Flagstaff and dropped them off there too)
we went via the Sunset Crater Volcano National monument ,the Wupatki Ruins N.M ( both excellent) then lunch at the Cameron Trading Post ( beautiful dining room) then drove into the Grand Canyon NP with several beautiful stops ( including the Desert View Watch tower)
Of course driving yourself gives you the freedom to go and stop as you please ( it can be a long day though)
Regards
TBS
Oct 24, 2018, 7:40 pm
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We drove to GC from Flagstaff by way of Cameron Trading post, where we had lunch. Very easy drive which takes you the Navaho Reservation, nice lunch, and great souvenir shopping. At Grand Canyon, these lodges are in a row: El Tovar, Kachina, Thunderbird, Bright Angel. El Tovar is the epitome of the old fashioned log hunting lodge with a buffalo head, elk, etc. Very atmospheric. We stayed in Thunderbird and had dinner at El Tovar, for which you can make reservations online 30 days out, then breakfast at the original Fred Harvey restaurant in the Bright Angel.
The Red Route shuttle stop is outside Bright Angel and it makes about 9 or so stops at lookouts into the canyon on the way up to the last stop, Hermit’s Rest. You get a brochure describing the stops (5,000 foot drop overlook, etc.). You get off at the stops you pick and then take the next shuttle, which run about every 10 minutes. Coming back from Hermits Rest takes about 35 minutes. If you would like to hike between stops, there is one paved section about a mile long - ask the driver which stops it is between.
As as far as staying in Sedona, we used Marriot points at the excellent Courtyard which is in a gorgeous red rock setting a bit out of town. The drive from GC to Sedona on 89A is not for anybody who fears drop offs. Very mountainous, twisty, slow, no shoulder...max speed 35 MPH, or 20 or even 15 on the curves. But scenic.
If I were you coming from Phoenix, I would not make Sedona an overnight, just a drive through the red rock country. We stayed in Flagstaff at the Hilton Garden, which is very nice and usefully located right next to a Coco’s Cafe for an easy, inexpensive dinner for tired travelers.
The Red Route shuttle stop is outside Bright Angel and it makes about 9 or so stops at lookouts into the canyon on the way up to the last stop, Hermit’s Rest. You get a brochure describing the stops (5,000 foot drop overlook, etc.). You get off at the stops you pick and then take the next shuttle, which run about every 10 minutes. Coming back from Hermits Rest takes about 35 minutes. If you would like to hike between stops, there is one paved section about a mile long - ask the driver which stops it is between.
As as far as staying in Sedona, we used Marriot points at the excellent Courtyard which is in a gorgeous red rock setting a bit out of town. The drive from GC to Sedona on 89A is not for anybody who fears drop offs. Very mountainous, twisty, slow, no shoulder...max speed 35 MPH, or 20 or even 15 on the curves. But scenic.
If I were you coming from Phoenix, I would not make Sedona an overnight, just a drive through the red rock country. We stayed in Flagstaff at the Hilton Garden, which is very nice and usefully located right next to a Coco’s Cafe for an easy, inexpensive dinner for tired travelers.
I'm leaning toward staying in Flagstaff at the Residence Inn.