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Predictions for the end of VX!
Similar thread to IT before it went bankrupt/inoperable for an extended period of time.
VX also has similar characteristics of IT-bad management, cheap fares, and better than average service. My guess is before 2 February 2014. Winner gets bragging rights, I guess. |
I hope it doesn't happen at all. Just had another great experience yesterday in F on VX.
The crew was great and generous with the food offerings ^. Plus, I dont like for others to be out of a job. |
Tiresome topic.
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Originally Posted by mr27
(Post 20592086)
I hope it doesn't happen at all. Just had another great experience yesterday in F on VX.
The crew was great and generous with the food offerings ^. Plus, I dont like for others to be out of a job. Thanks for the compliment! Glad you had a great experience with us. We look forward to having you as a guest again soon! |
Originally Posted by VXCabinCrew
(Post 20592466)
Thanks for the compliment! Glad you had a great experience with us. We look forward to having you as a guest again soon!
Can't wait for my first flight with you guys in two weeks! |
Originally Posted by AA_EXP09
(Post 20591804)
Similar thread to IT before it went bankrupt/inoperable for an extended period of time.
VX also has similar characteristics of IT-bad management, cheap fares, and better than average service. My guess is before 2 February 2014. Winner gets bragging rights, I guess. |
This is an extraordinarily graceless thread. Anyone rooting for improvements in US domestic airline service is rooting for VX. Shame on the OP.
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“We had a very good second half of 2012. 2013 has started out well — fuel prices are high, but stable, which we can handle and the revenue environment is very strong,” Cush said. “So unless something goes completely off the rails, we’re expecting a nice, solid profit in 2013.” http://www.nj.com/business/index.ssf...x-sfo-ewr.html |
Originally Posted by BearX220
(Post 20595204)
This is an extraordinarily graceless thread. Anyone rooting for improvements in US domestic airline service is rooting for VX. Shame on the OP.
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Originally Posted by BearX220
(Post 20595204)
This is an extraordinarily graceless thread. Anyone rooting for improvements in US domestic airline service is rooting for VX. Shame on the OP.
Don't want vx to die but don't really want them to grow much either... |
Originally Posted by Eastbay1K
(Post 20595727)
I agree, but hopefully if the comments are all in one thread, they won't be cluttered in all the other threads, and all those comments can be moderated/moved into this one.
Agreed. I am all for posters airing whatever their thoughts are, no matter how tasteless and unnecessary they are (such as this one), but if we can keep all of the bashing out of the other, helpful threads, it would make this board run more smoothly. Hopefully, the mods can do something about it. |
Originally Posted by eponymous_coward
(Post 20595024)
I don't see this as "winning"- careers get ruined, an innovative carrier gets shut down, we have less options.
Yet that thread remained for quite a while... Have fares gone down in general because of VX? Not quite (though arguably I booked a few cheap tickets to LAX/SFO on AS thanks to them.)
Originally Posted by azepine00
(Post 20595738)
Not so sure about that. I can picture short term improvement of service, killing off/diluting to the point of uselessness mileage program then deterioration of service with no mileage program.
Don't want vx to die but don't really want them to grow much either... Or VS (with YQ, and if I wanted to pay YQ I would just use my CX miles on BA on an RTW.) |
Originally Posted by mr27
(Post 20592086)
I hope it doesn't happen at all. Just had another great experience yesterday in F on VX.
The crew was great and generous with the food offerings ^. Plus, I dont like for others to be out of a job. |
Originally Posted by eponymous_coward
(Post 20595024)
I don't see this as "winning"- careers get ruined, an innovative carrier gets shut down, we have less options.
I can only hope that when/if VX goes under, AA grabs some of the assets like the LAX T3 gates, any JFK slots and most of SFO T2. |
Originally Posted by cringle
(Post 20592273)
Tiresome topic.
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Originally Posted by ByrdluvsAWACO
(Post 20598848)
I can only hope that when/if VX goes under, AA grabs some of the assets like the LAX T3 gates, any JFK slots and most of SFO T2. :D |
Originally Posted by eponymous_coward
(Post 20601240)
I actually wouldn't hope for that, since AA is pretty mind-numbingly mediocre in my experience, and I don't have any particular use or vested interest in having them running the universe, the same way an EXP does- whereas I actually fly VX and would like them to stick around (even if I am skeptical after years of "we're )( this close to making a profit someday").
:D |
Originally Posted by eponymous_coward
(Post 20601240)
I actually wouldn't hope for that, since AA is pretty mind-numbingly mediocre in my experience, and I don't have any particular use or vested interest in having them running the universe, the same way an EXP does- whereas I actually fly VX and would like them to stick around (even if I am skeptical after years of "we're )( this close to making a profit someday").
:D Regarding VX's post-liquidation assets, depite your objections, AA is in the best position to use them effectively. In SFO, AA can add some domestic pressure on UA by expanding their current operation in T2. T3 in LAX (if AA expands as some suspect) will allow AA to offer more connections/frequencies to local & intl pax. Neither UA, WN, or DL or can effectively use T3. VX holds only one evening hour slot at JFK, but I'm sure AA will grab it since it will prove of little value to any new entrant, and DL already has plenty. I'm not sure about the engines on VX's fleet, and whether or not they would be of value to AA. If not, then maybe B6 or NK would find use for them. |
Originally Posted by ByrdluvsAWACO
(Post 20605103)
they have a network that's actually usable beyond SFO-JFK and a product that focuses on more than just hipsters.
Originally Posted by ByrdluvsAWACO
(Post 20605103)
T3 in LAX (if AA expands as some suspect) will allow AA to offer more connections/frequencies to local & intl pax. Neither UA, WN, or DL or can effectively use T3.
I have (as an AS elite and VX passenger). T3 is a dump (VX's side is slightly nicer, but still, T3 is a dump). Go ask some AS folks if they'd like to go back from T6. Cooling your heels for 30+ minutes for shuttles for your connection (or walking outside and reclearing TSA) is a bad passenger experience. There's no doubt in my mind that once the AA-US merger is done in 2015-2016 or so, they'll be trying as hard as they can to consolidate operations under one roof. So I place no value on a T3 presence for AA, unless they tear the sucker down and figure out a way to connect T4, Bradley and T3. There's plans for this, kind of, but they are hideously expensive. Also- you seriously think DL or B6 wouldn't find those assets useful? I'm sure B6 would love to dump LGB for LAX and is plenty popular with "hipsters", as you put it, and DL is in just as good a position to pressure UA (if not better). Oh, and neither of them will be hip-deep in the middle of a merger that your .sig seems to be ridiculing... |
Any time can't be soon enough ^
My bet is on Q4 2013 Regards, El Puerco Volante |
Originally Posted by eponymous_coward
(Post 20606956)
AA's network isn't particularly usable where I live (SEA), unless I fly a lot of AS (which I do anyway), or love connecting at ORD/DFW.
You speak as if you've never taken the T3->T4 shuttle, or flown out of T3. I have (as an AS elite and VX passenger). T3 is a dump (VX's side is slightly nicer, but still, T3 is a dump). Go ask some AS folks if they'd like to go back from T6. Cooling your heels for 30+ minutes for shuttles for your connection (or walking outside and reclearing TSA) is a bad passenger experience. There's no doubt in my mind that once the AA-US merger is done in 2015-2016 or so, they'll be trying as hard as they can to consolidate operations under one roof. So I place no value on a T3 presence for AA, unless they tear the sucker down and figure out a way to connect T4, Bradley and T3. There's plans for this, kind of, but they are hideously expensive. Also- you seriously think DL or B6 wouldn't find those assets useful? I'm sure B6 would love to dump LGB for LAX and is plenty popular with "hipsters", as you put it, and DL is in just as good a position to pressure UA (if not better). Oh, and neither of them will be hip-deep in the middle of a merger that your .sig seems to be ridiculing... I will go out of my way to fly AA (and can save money because of it, too) If US ruins the airline then I might consider crediting to AV. |
Originally Posted by AA_EXP09
(Post 20608847)
FFP complements the weakness in network, though.
I will go out of my way to fly AA (and can save money because of it, too) If US ruins the airline then I might consider crediting to AV. |
Originally Posted by eponymous_coward
(Post 20608887)
I consider FFPs ancillary to the plane getting me there conveniently. This would explain why I'm happy to fly WN and VX when it suits my needs, as opposed to doing contorted routings for mileage, status and just so I can eat a calorie-laden, blast-chilled meal that I could get better in a diner for $10-15. I'm willing to snap up a good deal if the arbitrage is there in an FFP scenario, but in the end I am more interested in where the hurtling metal tube is going.
Some of them even have high quality booze. |
Originally Posted by AA_EXP09
(Post 20608908)
Makes sense for domestic but international lounges tend to have edible, good tasting food.
Some of them even have high quality booze. HKG surely has nice lounges, but give me a choice between dim sum in the UA/TG/SQ/CX lounges and Tim Ho Wan, I think I pick Tim Ho Wan (have actually tried dim sum breakfast both ways). And I live somewhere where great cocktails are easy to come by. Granted, Dom and caviar have snob appeal, to be sure, and I like the LH FCL/FCT myself, but in the end the food and drink you get in the F cabin can be replicated better on the ground, and lounges rarely have truly outstanding food. |
VX amateur carrier. Have booking next moth. They changed all flts with no advice to pax. That will not get goodwill nor fiture bookings. Today so easy to malign bad carrier via internet...
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Originally Posted by scotflyer1
(Post 20609378)
VX amateur carrier. Have booking next moth. They changed all flts with no advice to pax. That will not get goodwill nor fiture bookings. Today so easy to malign bad carrier via internet...
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I love VX. I just committed by dropping my BA Visa for a VX Visa because I hate flying American and I happen to do almost solely ORD - LAX.
It sucks because barrier to entry in this market is brutal. The product is so much better than the competition though. Hell, I booked an AA F fare on points and specifically went for an afternoon flight so we could get the 767 with the international business class as first and it was still terrible. |
Ok, here ya go:
VX picks up the slack when US management ruins AA and COdbaUA continues to suck, making VX the new "legacy carrier" of choice. I've taken VX a couple of times and like their service. |
Originally Posted by eponymous_coward
(Post 20609274)
Sure, but why stay in an airport more than you have to when there's a ton of good food out there?
HKG surely has nice lounges, but give me a choice between dim sum in the UA/TG/SQ/CX lounges and Tim Ho Wan, I think I pick Tim Ho Wan (have actually tried dim sum breakfast both ways). And I live somewhere where great cocktails are easy to come by. Granted, Dom and caviar have snob appeal, to be sure, and I like the LH FCL/FCT myself, but in the end the food and drink you get in the F cabin can be replicated better on the ground, and lounges rarely have truly outstanding food. HK is also different in that I can get decent food for cheap, unlike some of the other places I have been (Canada and OZ come to mind) |
Originally Posted by Doc Savage
(Post 20610584)
Ok, here ya go:
VX picks up the slack when US management ruins AA and COdbaUA continues to suck, making VX the new "legacy carrier" of choice. I've taken VX a couple of times and like their service. |
Originally Posted by AA_EXP09
(Post 20614981)
As long as their FFP isn't wrecked I will fly the legacies.
If you're flying only the legacies, why are you so concerned about my company? Let's give my company that I work my a** off for, a little love ^ What's great about this industry is that there is a carrier / alliance for everyone. Some people only want to fly the legacies, some people fly both the legacies and VX and some people fly the bottom-of-the-barrel NK and G4. We, fortunately get a lot of people who fly AA/UA and us very often. I had a few AA EXP's in my FC from LAX - BOS and SFO - JFK this week, so there are quite a few who enjoy what the legacies offer as well as what we offer. I am one who enjoys both the VX product and AA (despite their service flaws). This industry is big enough for everyone. Now if we can just start to translate our high load factors into consistent profits ;) We work extremely hard at VX to create a product that people love. Posts like this are very disheartening, but despite that, I am always open to everyone's points of view. |
Originally Posted by VXCabinCrew
(Post 20615513)
If you're flying only the legacies, why are you so concerned about my company? Let's give my company that I work my a** off for, a little love ^
What's great about this industry is that there is a carrier / alliance for everyone. Some people only want to fly the legacies, some people fly both the legacies and VX and some people fly the bottom-of-the-barrel NK and G4. We, fortunately get a lot of people who fly AA/UA and us very often. I had a few AA EXP's in my FC from LAX - BOS and SFO - JFK this week, so there are quite a few who enjoy what the legacies offer as well as what we offer. I am one who enjoys both the VX product and AA (despite their service flaws). This industry is big enough for everyone. Now if we can just start to translate our high load factors into consistent profits ;) We work extremely hard at VX to create a product that people love. Posts like this are very disheartening, but despite that, I am always open to everyone's points of view. |
Originally Posted by VXCabinCrew
(Post 20615513)
If you're flying only the legacies, why are you so concerned about my company? Let's give my company that I work my a** off for, a little love ^
What's great about this industry is that there is a carrier / alliance for everyone. Some people only want to fly the legacies, some people fly both the legacies and VX and some people fly the bottom-of-the-barrel NK and G4. We, fortunately get a lot of people who fly AA/UA and us very often. I had a few AA EXP's in my FC from LAX - BOS and SFO - JFK this week, so there are quite a few who enjoy what the legacies offer as well as what we offer. I am one who enjoys both the VX product and AA (despite their service flaws). This industry is big enough for everyone. Now if we can just start to translate our high load factors into consistent profits ;) We work extremely hard at VX to create a product that people love. Posts like this are very disheartening, but despite that, I am always open to everyone's points of view. Threads like these are tasteless and cheap - I don't know why the mods are letting it slide. Whoever started this should be ashamed, really. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by Eastbay1K
(Post 20615958)
Do yourself a favor, keep your blood pressure low, and don't let these posts get to you, and focus, focus, on the excellent service you'll be giving me on an early June transcon flight in F :)
Great, we'll look forward to having you! Where are you headed? Maybe I'll be working F :D |
Originally Posted by VXCabinCrew
(Post 20615513)
If you're flying only the legacies, why are you so concerned about my company? Let's give my company that I work my a** off for, a little love ^
What's great about this industry is that there is a carrier / alliance for everyone. Some people only want to fly the legacies, some people fly both the legacies and VX and some people fly the bottom-of-the-barrel NK and G4. We, fortunately get a lot of people who fly AA/UA and us very often. I had a few AA EXP's in my FC from LAX - BOS and SFO - JFK this week, so there are quite a few who enjoy what the legacies offer as well as what we offer. I am one who enjoys both the VX product and AA (despite their service flaws). This industry is big enough for everyone. Now if we can just start to translate our high load factors into consistent profits ;) We work extremely hard at VX to create a product that people love. Posts like this are very disheartening, but despite that, I am always open to everyone's points of view. If VX folds, at least you will always have the memories of flying for an airline that dared to go against the big guys and had a much better product. |
Originally Posted by bluegreentravel
(Post 20616120)
Kudos to your good work - VX service is way better than AA or UA, in my honest opinion.
Threads like these are tasteless and cheap - I don't know why the mods are letting it slide. Whoever started this should be ashamed, really. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by Eastbay1K
(Post 20615958)
Do yourself a favor, keep your blood pressure low, and don't let these posts get to you, and focus, focus, on the excellent service you'll be giving me on an early June transcon flight in F :)
Was pretty happy to see that a connecting flight on VX wasn't half again (or more) as much as a nonstop out of SEA. No way I can justify entering the SFO Vortex of ATC Hold Doom at a huge premium, which is one of the reasons I haven't patronized VX as much as I could have... |
The one quarter that VX had very good news to report (3rd quarter 2010, its only quarterly net profit), VX released the quarterly results earlier than it has in any quarter before or since - just 40 days after the end of that quarter.
The publicly-held airlines have already begun reporting their 1Q2013 results yet it's already April 19 and still no report from VX of the 2012 year-end/4th quarter results. Last year, the 2011 year-end numbers weren't released until May 4 and those numbers were not encouraging. The DOT released its fourth quarter fare data this week - there are some clues in that data about the financial performance of VX in the fourth quarter. My guess is that we'll have a lot more data on which to base a prediction within three weeks or so. |
Originally Posted by VXCabinCrew
(Post 20615513)
If you're flying only the legacies, why are you so concerned about my company? Let's give my company that I work my a** off for, a little love ^
What's great about this industry is that there is a carrier / alliance for everyone. Some people only want to fly the legacies, some people fly both the legacies and VX and some people fly the bottom-of-the-barrel NK and G4. We, fortunately get a lot of people who fly AA/UA and us very often. I had a few AA EXP's in my FC from LAX - BOS and SFO - JFK this week, so there are quite a few who enjoy what the legacies offer as well as what we offer. I am one who enjoys both the VX product and AA (despite their service flaws). This industry is big enough for everyone. Now if we can just start to translate our high load factors into consistent profits ;) We work extremely hard at VX to create a product that people love. Posts like this are very disheartening, but despite that, I am always open to everyone's points of view. Your company does one good thing-keeping fares low on my preferred carriers, I will admit that. As for better service, legacies clearly aren't trying to improve given the latest changes at UA/DL, so how is your airline improving US domestic service? (Internationally I can fly LAN to SA, a number of E Asian carriers to Asia, and IB to Europe that have better service while being able to obtain 100% mileage on deep discount fares.) |
As usual, threads like this just don't accomplish anything. The same people who always predict the downfall of the airline are still predicting the downfall, and the people who aren't, aren't.
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