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bthobe Jul 7, 2010 11:31 pm

After reading through the thread, I am just as long as everyone else. What is really confusing me is the "pre-offer" status. What does that mean? Currently I am US Gold but have only flown 5k miles this year. If I fly 8 hop,skip and jumps, does that mean I am Chairman through Feb 2012? Or since I haven't really earned anything this year, I would only be Gold again?

Any help would be greatly apperciated.

johnep1 Jul 7, 2010 11:31 pm


Originally Posted by GoodOmens (Post 14261028)
Found DCA-CLT-PVR-PHX-DCA which would get 3 hops (East, west, central america) and 1 jump (CLT-PVR) for $507 same day return. Now just need to get it cheaper.....

So that's 4 different items for $507. Seems reasonable for plats trying to get to CP.

Or just CLT-PVR-PHX-CLT would get 4 items. Not too shabby.

Johnny Rocket Jul 7, 2010 11:33 pm

This is wayyy too complicated!

"Hop, skip and jump" sound so simple in reality - indeed the expression denotes simplicity... yet this has to be the most complex and convoluted scheme I have ever read! I'm flummoxed and it's too much like hard work to work out how best to benefit.:td:

bossku69 Jul 7, 2010 11:58 pm


Originally Posted by Johnny Rocket (Post 14262424)
This is wayyy too complicated!

"Hop, skip and jump" sound so simple in reality - indeed the expression denotes simplicity... yet this has to be the most complex and convoluted scheme I have ever read! I'm flummoxed and it's too much like hard work to work out how best to benefit.:td:

yes, but they will fill up a lot of flights for these routes that they probably normally dont do

mister880 Jul 8, 2010 12:48 am


Originally Posted by Beckles (Post 14262041)
One trip from MCI to PBG, with a Shuttle segment included (which several of the least expensive routing options include), will get me Gold Preferred through 2/29/12 ... I'll be all over that like stink on a monkey. Have to see if maybe I can work a CLT-BTR to be cheaper though with a Shuttle segment.

I think the FAQ's make it pretty clear how this promotion works, I really don't understand all the claims otherwise in this thread.


This promotion does not apply to anyone who currently is CP as the rules are written and is explained in the FAQ.

Where in the FAQ does it say anything about current CP?

starflyer Jul 8, 2010 4:03 am


Originally Posted by mister880 (Post 14262618)
Where in the FAQ does it say anything about current CP?

There is a footnote at the bottom of the FAQ:

Current CP Members: You are screwed, you must requalify via other methods only.

johndeere19 Jul 8, 2010 4:20 am


Originally Posted by CPRich (Post 14261787)
If you booked it before today, I'm guessing 0. If you booked it today, or haven't booked it yet, I agree on 4.


Originally Posted by itsme110 (Post 14261718)
I just phoned the Plat line, and they have no idea. it´s nightime and they said it is confusing and the experts will be in tomorrow morning........so i´ll call back. Next week I am flying PVR-PHX-CLT-YYZ-CLT-PVR.
C´mon experts.........what´s everyone´s guess as to how many points I get for that. I would guess 4. What does everyone else think??

PVR-PHX-CLT-YYZ-CLT-PVR. Yes if you booked it before 7/7 then 0. Otherwise, I believe it would be 4...Central America, N/A East, N/A West, CLT-PVR Jump. If you can make the trip PVR-PHX-CLT-YYZ-YOW-CLT-PVR, it would be 5.

charlotteimmigration Jul 8, 2010 5:50 am


Originally Posted by jbelinc (Post 14262300)
If I am reading this right a CLT-BTR-CLT flight will count 3 times, North America east hop, N.A. west hop & Charlotte to Baton Rouge jump. A CLT-MLB will count as the Charlotte to Melbourne jump and also get you Space Coast 1000 bonus miles promo.

Actually according to the map BTR is EAST USA

dtremit Jul 8, 2010 5:52 am


Originally Posted by mister880 (Post 14262618)
Where in the FAQ does it say anything about current CP?

Well, it explains how each number of credits affects each status level, and those examples don't include CP.

However, what they aren't clear on is the definition of "current status." I'm a CP with just shy of 50k EQM this year -- does that make me a "current CP," or a "current Silver"? I would guess the latter, since we're talking about the 2011 program year.

My other question -- and this really isn't clear to me -- is what happens after the promo. Let's say I fly 15k miles during the promo and complete 4 credits; at the time I hit 4 credits, my YTD EQM will be about 62k. By my math, that should give me a bump from Gold (status from getting 62k EQM) to Plat. But there's three months left in the year. If I want to hit CP, do I need to earn 25k more EQMs, or 38k?

US really needs to get someone to either write simpler rules (e.g., "we'll round up your EQMs to the nearest 25k" -- would that be so hard?) or just stick to simpler promos...

dtremit Jul 8, 2010 5:56 am


Originally Posted by charlotteimmigration (Post 14263297)
Actually according to the map BTR is EAST USA

But according to the FAQ, it is West:


North America, east includes: Gulfport, MS; Jackson, MS; Memphis, TN; Chicago, IL; Milwaukee, WI; plus the Canadian cities of Halifax, Nova Scotia; Montreal, Quebec; Ottawa, Ontario; and Toronto, Ontario.

North America, west includes: New Orleans, LA; Baton Rouge, LA; Little Rock, AR; St. Louis, MO; Des Moines, IA; plus the Canadian cities of Edmonton, Alberta; Calgary, Alberta; and Vancouver, British Columbia; and Anchorage, AK.
I think MSP ought to be West, but the list could be clearer about that.

charlotteimmigration Jul 8, 2010 5:57 am


Originally Posted by dtremit (Post 14263329)
But according to the FAQ, it is West:



I think MSP ought to be West, but the list could be clearer about that.

so which trumps? the map or the FAQ

I wouldnt be surprized to be screwed over after spending 400 + bucks on a MR

lax01 Jul 8, 2010 6:30 am

Terrible promotion for us flyers who go to and from the same destination every week...just after being burned by the Jump Start and Trial Preferred BS...

Beckles Jul 8, 2010 6:36 am

Again folks, read the FAQ's, so many of these questions are clearly answered there.


Originally Posted by DCAorBust (Post 14262243)
So your definition of "Pre-offer Preferred status" (which is the term used by the promo--not "current" status) is the status earned as of last year

First, it's not 'my definition', but rather what I think is pretty clearly what US intends, it is whatever status you had at 12:01 AM on July 7th, 2010, regardless of where you are this year, how you got that status, or anything else. The clarification on trial elite makes it pretty clear to me that this is what they mean, since they count trial Silver as Silver for those who have it.

Originally Posted by jbelinc (Post 14262300)
If I am reading this right a CLT-BTR-CLT flight will count 3 times, North America east hop, N.A. west hop & Charlotte to Baton Rouge jump. A CLT-MLB will count as the Charlotte to Melbourne jump and also get you Space Coast 1000 bonus miles promo.

Seems pretty clear to me that is correct.

Originally Posted by bthobe (Post 14262417)
What is really confusing me is the "pre-offer" status. What does that mean? Currently I am US Gold but have only flown 5k miles this year. If I fly 8 hop,skip and jumps, does that mean I am Chairman through Feb 2012?

You're Gold.

Originally Posted by mister880 (Post 14262618)
Where in the FAQ does it say anything about current CP?

Nowhere, which is why it seems clear to me they get nothing since it specifically explains how this promotion works in moving all other members up to higher elite levels.

Originally Posted by charlotteimmigration (Post 14263334)
so which trumps? the map or the FAQ

Seriously? :rolleyes:

stefg1007 Jul 8, 2010 7:18 am

Someone correct me if they think my rational is wrong on this...

PHL-CLT (counts east hop)
CLT-PVR (counts new route)
PVR-PHX (counts mexico hop)
PHX-LAS (counts west hop)
LAS-PHL (extra)

$456...any days this month. Thats 4-5 if im not wrong.

itsme110 Jul 8, 2010 7:21 am


Originally Posted by charlotteimmigration (Post 14263334)
so which trumps? the map or the FAQ

I wouldnt be surprized to be screwed over after spending 400 + bucks on a MR

According to U.S. Plat desk, anything booked before June 7 does not qualify.........but they´ve been wrong before

ariyo15 Jul 8, 2010 7:23 am


Originally Posted by stefg1007 (Post 14263670)
Someone correct me if they think my rational is wrong on this...

PHL-CLT (counts east hop)
CLT-PVR (counts new route)
PVR-PHX (counts mexico hop)
PHX-LAS (counts west hop)
LAS-PHL (extra)

$456...any days this month. Thats 4-5 if im not wrong.


How are you getting that right? I can't have it price out for anything NEAR that amount! :confused:

EDIT: Wow, I'm an idiot. Just found it. Haha. Actually though, I think I found a better cpm routing:

PHL-CLT
CLT-PVR
PVR-PHX
PHX-DEN
DEN-PHL

And still you get the East, West, New Route and Mexico!

ariyo15 Jul 8, 2010 7:34 am

Combining HSJ with Trial Silver
 
I did the "free" silver trial, but (because it can take "up to 7 days" to become silver after making that first ticket purchase) my status has NOT shown up as SP yet. I made the ticket purchase on the 6th though.

I will be flying the necessary 7,500 miles with a RT to TLV (ex-PHL) to keep the status through next year, BUT am I able to turn that into GOLD if I hit four of the HSJs?

This one is a bit of a stretch, but I'll ask this too: If I fly 15k and earn GP through the trial silver AND fly 4 HSJs, would I then go up to PLT?

Crossing my fingers hoping for a good answer :)

johnep1 Jul 8, 2010 7:39 am


Originally Posted by stefg1007 (Post 14263670)
Someone correct me if they think my rational is wrong on this...

PHL-CLT (counts east hop)
CLT-PVR (counts new route)
PVR-PHX (counts mexico hop)
PHX-LAS (counts west hop)
LAS-PHL (extra)

$456...any days this month. Thats 4-5 if im not wrong.

I think you can drop PHX-LAS and just go PHX-PHL. That should still count for the west hop.

johnep1 Jul 8, 2010 7:40 am


Originally Posted by ariyo15 (Post 14263757)
I did the "free" silver trial, but (because it can take "up to 7 days" to become silver after making that first ticket purchase) my status has NOT shown up as SP yet. I made the ticket purchase on the 6th though.

I will be flying the necessary 7,500 miles with a RT to TLV (ex-PHL) to keep the status through next year, BUT am I able to turn that into GOLD if I hit four of the HSJs?

This one is a bit of a stretch, but I'll ask this too: If I fly 15k and earn GP through the trial silver AND fly 4 HSJs, would I then go up to PLT?

Crossing my fingers hoping for a good answer :)

Nope.

itsme110 Jul 8, 2010 7:48 am


Originally Posted by ariyo15 (Post 14263699)
How are you getting that right? I can't have it price out for anything NEAR that amount! :confused:

EDIT: Wow, I'm an idiot. Just found it. Haha. Actually though, I think I found a better cpm routing:

PHL-CLT
CLT-PVR
PVR-PHX
PHX-DEN
DEN-PHL

And still you get the East, West, New Route and Mexico!

sometimes it also works to go phx-ord-phl

ariyo15 Jul 8, 2010 7:49 am


Originally Posted by johnep1 (Post 14263783)
Nope.

Nope meaning... Both?

I can't combine them at all because the status didn't post in time? DAMN! So close :mad:

ArizonaGuy Jul 8, 2010 7:50 am

I'm trying to find a decent fare for PHX-CLT-PVR-PHX (or any 4 pointer from PHX) but can't seem to do it. $800 is what I can come up with, not sure how some of you are finding $400-$500. Midweek only? Maybe it's just lower from east coast, I've only been trying from PHX.

And of course though I'm gold I'm a tad hesitant since I haven't qualified for anything in 2011 yet. I want to know I'm bumping myself to plat and not just from nothing to silver. I am fairly used to US' clear as mud promotions though. :)

miffSC Jul 8, 2010 7:59 am


The clarification on trial elite makes it pretty clear to me that this is what they mean, since they count trial Silver as Silver for those who have it.
According to the TCs "If you are enrolled in our Trial Preferred program, any change to your status from this promotion will occur after your trial period ends. " So this suggests to me that if you don't make your Trial Preferred Status, i.e. Silver, Gold or whatever, then your present status will be your starting point. If you are Trial Preferred for Silver and miss it by not flying enough, then the one bump would then bring you to Silver. "Your hop, skip and jump count will affect your pre-trial status, not your current trial status."


If you look at the incredibly long list of flights they supplied by the 'member' on the FAQ page, he took a lot of flights but they only qualified him for 3 hops, 1 skip and 1 jump. To have increased his H,S,J's I'm thinking he would have also had to have had a trip to Europe, one to the Carribbean, Asia, and/or South America.

And I agree, it doesn't particularly 'reward' the consistently frequent fliers who fly the same routes over and over because of business, etc.

I have AGS-CLT-ORD scheduled - that would be an East
AGS-CLT-PHL-MAN that would be Europe
CLT-SJD (Cabo) - hoping that will count even though booked before 7/7

Do any of the above count for more than one?

I'm thinking I need to go visit my Cousin in Seattle to get the fourth. Any thoughts?

jfunk138 Jul 8, 2010 8:22 am

Just wanted to get some confirmation that BOS-PBG + BOS-CLT-BTR would get me 4 hops, skips, and jumps?

BOS-PBG (new route)
CLT-BTR (new route)
CLT-BTR (North america, west)
BOS-CLT (North america, east)

tommyleo Jul 8, 2010 8:31 am


Originally Posted by bthobe (Post 14262417)
After reading through the thread, I am just as long as everyone else. What is really confusing me is the "pre-offer" status. What does that mean? Currently I am US Gold but have only flown 5k miles this year. If I fly 8 hop,skip and jumps, does that mean I am Chairman through Feb 2012? Or since I haven't really earned anything this year, I would only be Gold again?

Beckles said that you'd be Gold, but I'm thinking you'd be Chairman. Your status -- pre-offer -- is Gold, right? Why should it matter if you've only flown 5K miles this year if your status is Gold?

chris4096 Jul 8, 2010 8:34 am

So let me get this straight --

If you are Platinum and fly 4 H/S/Js you will be Chairman for 19 months.

If you are Chairman the is nothing you can do to extend your status that long other than fly the regular 120 segments / 100k miles

I find it very hard to believe that everyone but Chairman's members can take advantage of this promotion. Though maybe I shouldn't. I put an e-mail into the CP desk we'll see what they say.

matthew gulino Jul 8, 2010 8:36 am


Originally Posted by jfunk138 (Post 14264016)
Just wanted to get some confirmation that BOS-PBG + BOS-CLT-BTR would get me 4 hops, skips, and jumps?

BOS-PBG (new route)
CLT-BTR (new route)
CLT-BTR (North america, west)
BOS-CLT (North america, east)


Hey, Jfunk138,

not sure about the PBG, but I found a 4 pointer out of BOS in one day...

BOS -> CLT -> BTR ($140 including taxes on Wed August 11)

BOS -> CLT gets 1 point for East Region,
CLT -> BTR Gets 2 points for West Region and New City

Then BTR -> CLT -> DCA -> BOS ($187 Including taxes Same Day trip)

DCA -> BOS gets us the shuttle point.

They would need to be booked as 2 One-ways though because the computer won’t let you book the return flight out of BTR because it departs less than an hour after scheduled arrival (though, I’m sure it’s the same exact plane going back to CLT, so I don’t see why it matters )

Hope this helps!

Matt Gulino

lkar Jul 8, 2010 8:40 am

I’d be curious how you all read my situation. I did trial preferred, starting in March. I met the 7500 challenge, and received a “welcome to silver” e-mail from US on 7/5. I currently have only about 15k EQM for this calendar year. I did not have status last year.

As I’m reading the promo, if I do 4 hop/skips/jumps, it will give me gold through Feb 2012. It won’t matter what I earn for the rest of this year. Do others read it differently?

Bummer is that I already have 2 hops scheduled for the next few weeks, but I think a 4 segment trip to gold shouldn’t be that hard to arrange.

GoodOmens Jul 8, 2010 8:44 am

Here we go:

DCA-CLT-BTR-CLT-BOS-DCA for $356 .....

That's 2 hops (East and West), 1 jump (CLT-BTR) and 1 skip (BOS-DCA)

Beckles Jul 8, 2010 8:47 am


Originally Posted by bthobe (Post 14262417)
After reading through the thread, I am just as long as everyone else. What is really confusing me is the "pre-offer" status. What does that mean? Currently I am US Gold but have only flown 5k miles this year. If I fly 8 hop,skip and jumps, does that mean I am Chairman through Feb 2012? Or since I haven't really earned anything this year, I would only be Gold again?


Originally Posted by Beckles (Post 14263477)
You're Gold.


Originally Posted by tommyleo (Post 14264069)
Beckles said that you'd be Gold, but I'm thinking you'd be Chairman. Your status -- pre-offer -- is Gold, right? Why should it matter if you've only flown 5K miles this year if your status is Gold?

Actually, I was answering his first question about pre-offer status and not his second, He is Gold and in his example (hence my "you're Gold" answer to that), then for the second part he would move to CP, as is clearly outlined in the FAQ once we've established they're Gold.

ArizonaGuy Jul 8, 2010 8:48 am


Originally Posted by GoodOmens (Post 14264144)
Here we go:

DCA-CLT-BTR-CLT-BOS-DCA for $356 .....

That's 2 hops (East and West), 1 jump (CLT-BTR) and 1 skip (BOS-DCA)

Where are you getting west out of that? BTR looks to be counting as east to me.

matthew gulino Jul 8, 2010 8:52 am

From the FAQ:

North America, west includes: New Orleans, LA; Baton Rouge, LA; Little Rock, AR; St. Louis, MO; Des Moines, IA; plus the Canadian cities of Edmonton, Alberta; Calgary, Alberta; and Vancouver, British Columbia; and Anchorage, AK.

GoodOmens Jul 8, 2010 8:53 am


Originally Posted by ArizonaGuy (Post 14264169)
Where are you getting west out of that? BTR looks to be counting as east to me.

The FAQ

Originally Posted by US Airways FAQ
What's the difference between North American regions that count as hops?

We've divided up the U.S. and Canada along the Mississippi River to define east and west.

North America, east includes: Gulfport, MS; Jackson, MS; Memphis, TN; Chicago, IL; Milwaukee, WI; plus the Canadian cities of Halifax, Nova Scotia; Montreal, Quebec; Ottawa, Ontario; and Toronto, Ontario.

North America, west includes: New Orleans, LA; Baton Rouge, LA; Little Rock, AR; St. Louis, MO; Des Moines, IA; plus the Canadian cities of Edmonton, Alberta; Calgary, Alberta; and Vancouver, British Columbia; and Anchorage, AK.


lkar Jul 8, 2010 8:56 am

Trying to price PHX-PVR-CLT-PHX for various August dates and it's coming back pretty high. That CLT-PVR leg seems expensive. I'm not that sophisticated with mileage runs and I'm just entering it as a multi-city trip. Can anyone give me pointers? Anyone else figure out a good 4-point itinerary from PHX yet?

swag Jul 8, 2010 9:01 am

At the risk of adding more confusion, both BTR and MSY airports are on the east side of the Mississippi.

puchalskir Jul 8, 2010 9:03 am

Has anyone who is a CP actually gotten the email from USAir?

The few non-CP's I know at work got the email.

A CP friend and myself did not receive the email.

Sucks to be a CP.

Thanks USAirways!:td:

Rich

Alphaguy Jul 8, 2010 9:16 am


Originally Posted by DCAorBust (Post 14260696)
It's quite confusing. They use the undefined term "pre-offer Preferred status," which could mean the status that you had earned for the 2011 program year prior to the start of the promotion. So if you were at 24,999 miles on 7/6/10, you would still need 16 counts to hit CP under that definition.

So if I'm a PLT now and do a 4 of these, I'm a CP til 2012, even if I only hit 50K? If so, I guess alot of us will be in Plattsburgh for the newly formed DOO!

jfunk138 Jul 8, 2010 9:21 am


Originally Posted by matthew gulino (Post 14264096)
Hey, Jfunk138,

not sure about the PBG, but I found a 4 pointer out of BOS in one day...

BOS -> CLT -> BTR ($140 including taxes on Wed August 11)

BOS -> CLT gets 1 point for East Region,
CLT -> BTR Gets 2 points for West Region and New City

Then BTR -> CLT -> DCA -> BOS ($187 Including taxes Same Day trip)

DCA -> BOS gets us the shuttle point.

They would need to be booked as 2 One-ways though because the computer won’t let you book the return flight out of BTR because it departs less than an hour after scheduled arrival (though, I’m sure it’s the same exact plane going back to CLT, so I don’t see why it matters )

Hope this helps!

Matt Gulino

That works great! Thanks!

Alphaguy Jul 8, 2010 9:23 am


Originally Posted by charlotteimmigration (Post 14263297)
Actually according to the map BTR is EAST USA

If you read the FAQ, MSY and BTR are considered WEST..

bkafrick Jul 8, 2010 9:28 am


Originally Posted by Alphaguy (Post 14264354)
So if I'm a PLT now and do a 4 of these, I'm a CP til 2012, even if I only hit 50K? If so, I guess alot of us will be in Plattsburgh for the newly formed DOO!

HA! A Plattsburgh DO... Thats awesome. Someone please plan it!!!


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