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mpclaw Jan 24, 2002 11:45 pm

Code on Manifest Question
 
On a flight from JFK to SFo the other day, I noticed a code next to a passenger name.
It said: "ADV POSS NO MEAL"

Any clue?

ldsant Jan 25, 2002 12:10 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by mpclaw:
On a flight from JFK to SFo the other day, I noticed a code next to a passenger name.
It said: "ADV POSS NO MEAL"

Any clue?
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Probably a typo and was meant to be ADV PASS No meal. Which would mean, Advise Passenger no meal. They may have ordered a special meal or they may have gone standby and there weren't enough meals boarded.

B747-437B Jan 25, 2002 12:43 am

"Passenger" is always referred to as "PAX".

"POSS" is the accepted abbreviation for "possible" or "possibly"

Liz Jan 25, 2002 1:05 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by mpclaw:
On a flight from JFK to SFo the other day, I noticed a code next to a passenger name.
It said: "ADV POSS NO MEAL"
Any clue?
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I hate to sound like a broken record, but y'all aren't supposed to be looking at the manifest. It was that way pre 9/11 and it's still the same rule. (B-747, come on in and yell at me,lol). I'll ASSuME that you happened to notice it on accident in passing. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Advise possible no meal. There were not enough meals so this person was chosen to "possibly" not receive a meal and should have been advised. Some reasons, they are an SA, they came from another flight, from another airline, etc. Basically they were not part of the original meal count. Normally we would have enough refusals that this doesn't matter.

LHR Tim Jan 25, 2002 6:00 am

Unless you fly BD full-fare club from Paris and they have 4 hours to advise CDG catering!

Chiangi Jan 25, 2002 8:20 am

This is irrelevant but ....

On a NRT-BKK flight last year, I didn't ask for it but a manifest was wide open in front of my eyes .... (I won't elaborate why.)

It showed all the passenger in F but one were NF (which suggested that some were op-upg and designated NF). The remaining one was me. I was XF. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

PremEx Jan 25, 2002 8:54 am

United, in the somewhat distant past, used to print out the manifest and give every First pax a copy to encourage cabin social interaction. "Your Fellow Passengers..."

Luftansa, to this day in First, hangs the passenger manifest right on the bulkhead wall for all to see.

Chiangi, sounds like the gate agent loaded the DM list along with the manifest (which sometimes happens by mistake). The manifest usually does not include any indication of NF, XF, etc. Just your status (or in the case of UA employess or retirees, their hire date).



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LarryU Jan 25, 2002 10:45 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by PremEx:

Chiangi, sounds like the gate agent loaded the DM list along with the manifest (which sometimes happens by mistake). The manifest usually does not include any indication of NF, XF, etc. Just your status (or in the case of UA employess or retirees, their hire date).

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In addition, when a passenger is travelling in paid C or F, the manifest often includes the designation full fare as well as the MP status of the passenger. So its actually fairly easy for the FAs to discern between such passengers should they have a reason to do so.

Counsellor Jan 25, 2002 10:49 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by PremEx:
United, in the somewhat distant past, used to print out the manifest and give every First pax a copy to encourage cabin social interaction. "Your Fellow Passengers..."</font>
". . . distant past . . ." indeed. Golly, PremEx, you don't look that old. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif


PremEx Jan 25, 2002 10:50 am

I have never seen a "full fare" designation on a manifest (even when traveling with known full fare pax) and was told by a United VP once that this was done on purpose so as not to inadvertantly encourage FA's to treat upgraded passengers any less that full fares in terms of service.

The DM and gate management lists do indicte this, but the on-board manifest does not, as far as I have ever known.

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Always Flyin Jan 25, 2002 12:07 pm

I just love all this secrecy over the manifest. As long as it doesn't reflect who is armed or a sky marshall, and it doesn't, who really cares?

The only thing I want to see is how many other 1Ks there are. If I didn't get an upgrade, I'd be curious to see how many NRSAs are in the forward cabin...

Could that be the reason UA doesn't want us looking at it? Oh, yeah, I'm sure the real reason is the privacy rights of the other passengers. Hmm, they're in a public place, on a common carrier, with a gate agent and flight attendant (sometimes) calling them by name...where's the privacy issue?

With the limited info that is on a manifest, what is the big deal?

JohnnyP Jan 25, 2002 12:10 pm

... you can get more information from a phone book!

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Starman Jan 25, 2002 12:21 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Always Flyin:
I just love all this secrecy over the manifest. As long as it doesn't reflect who is armed or a sky marshall, and it doesn't, who really cares?

With the limited info that is on a manifest, what is the big deal?
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Actually, the manifest DOES list armed pax! They are known as PCFA ("passenger carrying fire arm"), and it may be that you haven't noticed this simply as they are (thankfully!) rare.

kokonutz Jan 25, 2002 12:29 pm

Starman: my recent experience contradicts your statement. I SAW the gun strapped to the sky marshall's lower leg out of DCA, and there was nothing special noted on the manifest...perhaps things have changed post 9/11????

B747-437B Jan 25, 2002 1:13 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by kokonutz:
I SAW the gun strapped to the sky marshall's lower leg out of DCA, and there was nothing special noted on the manifest...</font>
Federal Air Marshals are not classified as PCFA and are not required to complete the PCFA paperwork formalities. Hence, they may not be designated as such on the manifest. PCFA does however extend to any other LEOs (Federal, State or Local) transporting loaded firearms in the passenger cabin.


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