UA It'l-It'l even via the USA ..... 24 hours

UA It'l to USA end point........... 4 hours

i.e. MEL-LAX-SEA-LAX-ORD-DUS was OK even tho I had a near 24 hour stop in SEA.

Had I not been ticketed to DUS, getting to MEL-SEA was the end of the line (as far as single SWU went, as I exceeded 4 hours there. It pays to arrange your trip VERY carefully!

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[This message has been edited by ozstamps (edited 11-21-2000).]

You sure about this? In my experience, coming back to the US from overseas, the 24 hours still apply. My impression is that if any portion of your itinerary is international, the 24 hour stopover applies.

My experience is the same as seawolf's regarding International to US end point.

If your ticket allows a stopover, an upgrade voucher will (in most/all?) cases not!

UA's stopover definition on an international ticket (starting or ending outside Mexico-Canada-USA):

whatever is longer than the following is considered to be a stopover:[*]the next flight to your next destination on the same ticket (even it is way more than 24 hours) [*]>23 hours 59 minutes, but there is one day/night per calendar year where this time is extended to 24 hours 49 minutes ... and another day/night where it is shortened to 22 hours 59 minutes.

And this rule was always applied by UA on all my multiple InnerNorthAmerican Segments on my StarAlliance rtw-trips: I often even included a short night in SFO or other places, but kept they stay just under 24 hours, and was succesfull so with only one upgrade voucher.

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[This message has been edited by Rudi (edited 11-21-2000).]

Thanks. So am I right...

an international itinerary where you go from say SIN-NRT-LAX that allows one stopover...

you could stay in NRT for longer than 24 hours and not pay extra

is this correct?

Just a clarification please.If I had a systemwide upgrade cert, and was travelling SYD to Albany ,NY for a 23 hour layover,and then onto FRA,could I use the one cert for the whole trip or do I need two?
I guess I'm asking if the 23hrs 59 minute layover has to be taken at your first port of call in the USA on an international ticket OR can you fly onto your layover destination in the US and have it there?
Thanks, Ozflier

richard, we seem to have two topics going on here so I'll try to be clear.

First, fare and money:

If your fare basis permits one free stopover, yes you can make that stopover without it costing you any more money. There may be an additional charge for additional stopovers. Any stop you make that is less than 23 hours and 59 minutes is not a "stopover" and will not count against your free stopover.

That takes care of the fare and money issues. Now let's talk 1K Systemwide Upgrades:

If you take a free or paid stopover (that is a stop in excess of 24 hours), then that "breaks" the itinerary for purposes of using a 1K Systemwide. You would then need to surrender another one to continue to upgrade onward to your outbound destination.

If you stop under 23 hours and 59 minutes then that is not a "stopover" for purposes of the Systemwide and you may continue your onward travel to your outbound destination on the same certificate.

ozflier, it is my understanding that as long as you are traveling on an International ticket, you can make a stop anywhere at any legal connection point and have as many of these stops as you can arrange as long as they are all under 23 hours and 59 minutes.

23 hours 59 minutes = "Stop" or "Connection"
24 hours or more = "A Stopover"

Exception To The Above: (As Rudi points out) If the only other and next flight out to your next destination is over 24 hours away, as long as you take that next flight, your current stop will not count against you as a stopover.

Hope I got that right.


[This message has been edited by PremEx (edited 11-21-2000).]

Thanks PremEx for clearing this up, now I believe I understand.

Yes, the multiple "stops" of less than 24 hours I have done twice to no comment on one Systemwide, as long as your ticketing basis allows this. You REALLY do need to know that the rules allow this tho. On my last long trip to DUS I forget how many RCC and gate agents wanted to make an issue of it. I guess they simply do not see too many people arrive It'l, criss-cross the USA and continue It'l, all on one upgrade coupon and in their MIND it seems "wrong". It is perfectly within the rules thought, but unless you are SURE of that yourself they are not going to be much help.

OZFLIER, what you are doing is exactly what I just did OZ-Germany via USA but for goodness sakes get the FIRST UA desk that lifts your SYS to note your booking thus. That's if they lift the cert. Otherwise ... :-#

Re the 4 hours within USA note, I posted that in good faith as that was precisely what was spat at me last week by the Gestapo agent at Seattle outlined in my post above. And this is "why she let me off on this occassion" as she was "so used to invoking the 4 hour rule". Hey, she was in such a bad mood, especially as UA It'l desk had over-ruled her in front of me on the phone, nothing she said would have surprised me. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

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[This message has been edited by ozstamps (edited 11-21-2000).]

PremEx basically covered all the rules.

Ozstamps, you mentioned in another thread that the SEA agent mentioned the four hour rule. She's misinformed. For domestic itineraries, a stopover occurs when the passenger does not depart an intermediate point within 4 hours.

Thanks,
That does make my planning easier.
Ozstamps, you mentioned that some of us( sensitive issue )may be going to receive a "round trip upgrade" voucher .I have not heard of one of these but I assume that one of its advantages would be that that you could take a multi segment flight with more than 24 hour duration stops and use the one voucher for the entire trip.
Ozflier

ozflier. That was my "inside poop" tip to these boards 2 weeks ago from a Million Miler who heard it "from way on high". He was right of course.

All 1Ks this week got the choice of among 4 goodie selections, Two Systemwide upgrades. Which is exactly a round trip upgrade anywhere UA flies ... just as long as your en-route stops don't exceed 24 hours, and there are NC or NF seats in inventory, but they can be locked in a year out if needs be. Thats what I did to and from DUS.

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Are the rules the same for mileage award upgrades.

Example: Are you allowed to stopover in Hawaii for longer that 24 hours, on you way to or from Asia without costing more miles than 50k on H fare?

Premex Said:

Now that is an interesting one in cases of low route frequency.

I just booked today the UA April 1 rtw starting LAX. Booked coach and am using SWU to upgrade it all, in fact UA have upgraded the booking already even tho it is not yet ticketed .. a great tip I learned this week from Premex. Never knew they'd do that. As long as I buy it direct thru UA (and I'll be using a UA 15% off coupon anyway) it does not need be PAID for until late March, but seats 15 A/B are mine until then, on all 5 x 747-400 legs. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

Anywayt, that flight into HKG and Delhi leaves a few hours after it arrives and is a once a day.

HKG-DEL arrives 2.00am and leaves 3.34am. I suppose unless you are on the 3.45am that day you have made a "stopover". Or have I? What I am asking is if I arrive at 2am, and fly out the NEXT day at 3.45am, will they wear that as "next flight"?

What do others think?




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yes - it defenetly is then a stopover, any 'next flight'-definition is really just the next flight (as long as it is a legal connection).