Overview of United's International Routes With New First/Business Class Cabins
 

After thumbing through the 40-some pages in the new-B744 thread and the countless pages in the B763 thread, it is extremely difficult to find exactly which routes the new a/c is appearing on. Perhaps we can use this thread for posting only the routes the a/cs fly on, instead of discussion/speculation regarding other threads/flight numbers?

I'll start. Please keep in mind this list does not necessarily mean every flight with this flight number will have the new seats -- this is the list of routes the new config has been seen on. I will try to keep this as up to date as possible.

The List as per www.suitedreams.united.com (updated by UA in June 2010)
Listed by city pair

Washington, DC (IAD) and London, United Kingdom (LHR)
UA920 (seasonal)
UA921 (seasonal)
UA922
UA923

Washington, DC (IAD) and Frankfurt, Germany (FRA)
UA952
UA953

Washington, DC (IAD) and Zurich, Switzerland (ZRH)
UA936
UA937

Washington, DC (IAD) and Geneva, Switzerland (GVA)
UA974
UA975

Washington, DC (IAD) and Buenos Aires, Argentina (EZE)
UA847
UA846

Washington, DC (IAD) and Moscow, Russia (DME)
UA964
UA965

Washington, DC (IAD) and Accra, Ghana
UA990
UA991

Chicago, IL (ORD) and London, United Kingdom (LHR)
UA958
UA959
UA929
UA928
UA938
UA949

Chicago, IL (ORD) and Hong Kong (HKG)
UA895
UA896

Chicago, IL (ORD) and Tokyo, Japan (NRT)
UA881
UA882

Chicago, IL (ORD) and Brussels, Belgium (BRU)
UA972
UA973

Chicago, IL (ORD) and Rome, Italy (FCO)
UA904
UA905

Chicago, IL (ORD) to Frankfurt, Germany (FRA)
UA940 (seasonal)
UA941 (seasonal)

San Francisco, CA (SFO) and Frankfurt, Germany (FRA)
UA900
UA901

San Francisco, CA (SFO) and Hong Kong (HKG)
UA869
UA862

San Francisco, CA (SFO) and Sydney, Australia (SYD)
UA863
UA870

San Francisco, CA (SFO) and Beijing, China (PEK)
UA889
UA888

San Francisco, CA (SFO) and Seoul, South Korea (ICN)
UA892
UA893

San Francisco, CA (SFO) and Shanghai, China (PVG)
UA857
UA858

Los Angeles, CA (LAX) and Sydney, Australia (SYD)
UA839
UA840

Los Angeles, CA (LAX) and Tokyo, Japan (NRT)
UA891
UA890

Honolulu, HI (HNL) and Tokyo, Japan (NRT)
UA879 (seasonal)
UA880 (seasonal)

Sydney, Australia (SYD) and Melbourne, Australia (MEL)
UA839
UA840

Hong Kong (HKG) and Saigon (SGN)
UA869
UA862

Tokyo, Japan (NRT) and Bangkok, Thailand (BKK)
UA890
UA891

Aircraft cannot be guaranteed until the entire fleet has been converted

21 of 21 B763s converted (International Boeing 767 Fleet Complete)
20 of 24 B744s converted (International Boeing 747 Fleet Complete
1 of 46 B777s converted (to commence after 747 fleet is completed)

46 of 91 aircraft: 51% complete.

Do you want only confirmed sightings, or routes that UA shows the new aircraft flying in the near future?

The list above was found doing dummy bookings on .bomb for July 20 and I compared them with the destinations in the B763 and B744 threads. To answer your question, then...both.

Seatmaps are not indicative of what will actually fly, and I would chalk that under the speculation category.

Once a few more aircraft get reconfig'ed and they start making their way randomly through the system, UA will likely switch all international flights to the new seatmap, as this helps prevent overbooking/overupgrading pax.

I know it's a 100+ page thread, but this info can be found...
 

...here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...s+new&page=108

Post #1610 from C5Crewdog includes the following as of July 4:

747
SFO-NRT UA837 starts new seatmap on July 21 (and doesn't show the old map after that date)
NRT-SFO UA 838 starts new seatmap on July 22

And I will voice my opinion that a separate route thread would be welcome to me, rather than fishing through the multiple 747/767/777 threads.

Certainly a good point, which is why I didn't look any further than I did. The point of this thread, though, is to at least have the information in one consolidated place, rather than sifting through over a 1000 posts to find the pertinent information.

Mebbe the time has come to make this a sticky, like the one covering new aircraft and seats on the SQ Krisfyer subforum?

My understanding is the equipment switch won't happen until Sept 2. I think it was in the "SFO-TPE/NGO routes dropped - int'l changes" thread... I may be wrong.

United Cargo is usually more accurate about equipment assignments.

I like it, but it doesn't seem to account for all (or even most for the 767) the configured aircraft. Where are the rest of the planes flying? :confused:

YES! Thank you. The older thread is nearly useless now due to size. If you could keep updating post #1 in this thread it would be extremely useful. Tks for starting it....

They're covered in the post I copied above. 5 767 planes, 5 transatlantic RTs, plus the occasional domestic flight to/from ORD. The two 747s are covered in first post above.

ORD/LHR 928/929
ORD/LHR 958/949
IAD/FRA 952/953
IAD/ZRH 936/937
IAD/LHR 920/921

Hate to rain on your parade, but UA is not LH. (So I'm not certain there's much use for a thread like this.)

When LH does aircraft conversion, and they list on their website which routes have the new [blank] product, they pretty much mean it.

I'm quite certain IPP has been to GRU and CDG. It doesn't happen all the time, but it does happen.

While UA has tried to keep International Premium Product on the FRA routes at least initally, if they run into a scenario where optimal aircraft utlization means an old skool C/F plane goes to FRA and IPP goes elsewhere, they'll do it.

And the OP has pointed this out very well in the first post.

Could you specify which a/c flies which route? Then I'll put it on the first post of the thread so we can keep one running list.

What are the domestic routes operated by the new configs?

Thanks for the credit...

As mentioned before, the newest 747 will also be doing some domestic legs (likely SFO-IAD) before flying international, but since none of the flight are operated by the 747 now, it hasn't been published which flights will be subbed. Remember, the first reburbished 747 was subbed for Flight 141 IAD-ORD for almost a week - an upgrade from A319 to B747.

^ Quite the upgrade. Do a favor and please post which route they sub this a/c for :)

Tomorrow IAD - SFO
 

Got to chatting with a FA on todays inbound SFO-IAD 914 and she mentioned that July 12th flight 233 will be substituted with the newly configured 747 for IAD-SFO. Could change of course.

A note on another 747 route: It's reported that the new aircraft are serving HKG-SFO from August/September. This may be only as they come out of the shop though, rather than a regular routing...it appears they are running a swap route on the SFO-HKG-SGN-HKG-PUS to get the old planes in and the new ones out.

Flight numbers please? :)

856. What he's saying is that, when a reconfigured 744 is ready to hatch at Pusan, they send the next one to go in from SFO-HKG-SGN-HKG. At HKG, the one going to Korea is withdrawn from that particular rotation, and the one released at PUS -- which has deadheaded to HKG to be in position -- gets dropped into the homeward trip to SFO on 856.

For that specific trip, and only for that specific trip.

Newly configured 763 has been doing SFO-JFK (6) and JFK-SFO(17) the last few days. I was on UA 17 yesterday. Blogged about it here still need to upload the photos I took...

UnitedF1RST - I like it ^^^ :-:@:-).

Thank you. Now if we just see SYD - LAX/SFO mentioned in the very near future on your first post, I would be doing cartwheels ;).

Great thread here!

Either way, it's good to hear that we'll have updated equipment on at least some flights to Asia (although my next intl C will be to LHR, anyway). I hope a 744 SFO-NRT will work with the NRT-TPE leg...

Again....flight numbers would be most helpful. Before I add a flight to the confirmed list I check it against the flight status on .bomb for accuracy.

Thank you for the p.s. flights -- they're on the master list on the first post.

As for the NRT flights with new config -- flight numbers and routing please!

Updated with UA4 and UA6, SFO-JFK flights w/ new configs

Oh my! Time to book flights to JFK! :eek:

UA4 tomorrow morning is scheduled for a new config!

Quick! To .bomb!

I'm trying to book SFO-JFK but the schedule seems to indicate that UA 4 and 6 are still operated by 757 :confused:

How strange. Flight status for UA4 on 7/17 is listing a B763 :confused:

But that's only for tomorrow. I was looking to book new tickets in August and da bomb showed 757 :eek: Maybe tomorrow is a swap?

Are you sure...

Looks like a 752 to me... :confused:

When there is a conflict between the equipment type listed in the reservations system and the equipment type listed on flight status screen, the flight status screen is usually right.

Don't forget the ps routes that are flown by the reconfigured 767's are just for a few days after they come out of GSO, they don't fly those routes with any regularity. Basically "proving" flights to work the kinks out.

For what it's worth, I just booked SIN-HKG on 896 and HKG-SFO on 856 in late October, and both are showing new configs. Plus I was able to upgrade from D to NF on both legs at the time of booking.

Think IM is locked in a dark room doing 'rooms. Can not get a SIN-NRT C upgrade to clear. GS agent (yea for a lowly 1K) says "will not release seats, because of possible new config."

OK, guess it's possible that a 777 will be out of the seat shop in 60 days. Interesting that the inbound flight has old config. So according to IM, they are going to deadhead a 777 to SIN and pick us up? As I said, too many 'rooms. :D

So as I read post #6, that means that at most 9 planes are completed or in the works -- less than 10% of UA's international fleet, almost a full year after the announcement of the changes. Obviously, there is no chance that half the fleet will be upgraded by the end of the year, as initially promised.

Assuming the upgrade pace increases somewhat, that suggests the program will take 5 - 9 years to complete, if there is still a UA for that length of time. I cannot imagine paying for a non-upgradeable Z fare facing those odds.

Feeling better and better about my choice of Virgin Atlantic upper class Z for my next flight to Europe, my first non-UA long haul international flight in 6+ years. About the only thing that would cause me to reconsider on a Z fare in the future would be if UA allowed confirmable upgrades on old style aircraft.

While it would be nice to have the new seats on these routes, it will be much harder to get upgrades on the 747s for the following reasons. The C cabin is reduced from 73 to 52 seats, and Inventory Management is only releasing very few NC seats for these newly configured planes.

In fairness to the OP and to keep this thread "right-sized" I've gone through and moved a few older or non-topical posts to either the consolidated new cabin thread or the new 747 configuration thread.

Thanks for your understanding.

FlyinHawaiian, Co-Moderator
United Mileage Plus Forum