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UnitedF1RST Jul 6, 2008 7:33 pm

Overview of United's International Routes With New First/Business Class Cabins
 
After thumbing through the 40-some pages in the new-B744 thread and the countless pages in the B763 thread, it is extremely difficult to find exactly which routes the new a/c is appearing on. Perhaps we can use this thread for posting only the routes the a/cs fly on, instead of discussion/speculation regarding other threads/flight numbers?

I'll start. Please keep in mind this list does not necessarily mean every flight with this flight number will have the new seats -- this is the list of routes the new config has been seen on. I will try to keep this as up to date as possible.

The List as per www.suitedreams.united.com (updated by UA in June 2010)
Listed by city pair

Washington, DC (IAD) and London, United Kingdom (LHR)
UA920 (seasonal)
UA921 (seasonal)
UA922
UA923

Washington, DC (IAD) and Frankfurt, Germany (FRA)
UA952
UA953

Washington, DC (IAD) and Zurich, Switzerland (ZRH)
UA936
UA937

Washington, DC (IAD) and Geneva, Switzerland (GVA)
UA974
UA975

Washington, DC (IAD) and Buenos Aires, Argentina (EZE)
UA847
UA846

Washington, DC (IAD) and Moscow, Russia (DME)
UA964
UA965

Washington, DC (IAD) and Accra, Ghana
UA990
UA991

Chicago, IL (ORD) and London, United Kingdom (LHR)
UA958
UA959
UA929
UA928
UA938
UA949

Chicago, IL (ORD) and Hong Kong (HKG)
UA895
UA896

Chicago, IL (ORD) and Tokyo, Japan (NRT)
UA881
UA882

Chicago, IL (ORD) and Brussels, Belgium (BRU)
UA972
UA973

Chicago, IL (ORD) and Rome, Italy (FCO)
UA904
UA905

Chicago, IL (ORD) to Frankfurt, Germany (FRA)
UA940 (seasonal)
UA941 (seasonal)

San Francisco, CA (SFO) and Frankfurt, Germany (FRA)
UA900
UA901

San Francisco, CA (SFO) and Hong Kong (HKG)
UA869
UA862

San Francisco, CA (SFO) and Sydney, Australia (SYD)
UA863
UA870

San Francisco, CA (SFO) and Beijing, China (PEK)
UA889
UA888

San Francisco, CA (SFO) and Seoul, South Korea (ICN)
UA892
UA893

San Francisco, CA (SFO) and Shanghai, China (PVG)
UA857
UA858

Los Angeles, CA (LAX) and Sydney, Australia (SYD)
UA839
UA840

Los Angeles, CA (LAX) and Tokyo, Japan (NRT)
UA891
UA890

Honolulu, HI (HNL) and Tokyo, Japan (NRT)
UA879 (seasonal)
UA880 (seasonal)

Sydney, Australia (SYD) and Melbourne, Australia (MEL)
UA839
UA840

Hong Kong (HKG) and Saigon (SGN)
UA869
UA862

Tokyo, Japan (NRT) and Bangkok, Thailand (BKK)
UA890
UA891

Aircraft cannot be guaranteed until the entire fleet has been converted

21 of 21 B763s converted (International Boeing 767 Fleet Complete)
20 of 24 B744s converted (International Boeing 747 Fleet Complete
1 of 46 B777s converted (to commence after 747 fleet is completed)

46 of 91 aircraft: 51% complete.

Lightman7 Jul 6, 2008 7:40 pm

Do you want only confirmed sightings, or routes that UA shows the new aircraft flying in the near future?

UnitedF1RST Jul 6, 2008 7:45 pm


Originally Posted by Lightman7 (Post 9990925)
Do you want only confirmed sightings, or routes that UA shows the new aircraft flying in the near future?

The list above was found doing dummy bookings on .bomb for July 20 and I compared them with the destinations in the B763 and B744 threads. To answer your question, then...both.

cstead Jul 6, 2008 7:49 pm


Originally Posted by Lightman7 (Post 9990925)
Do you want only confirmed sightings, or routes that UA shows the new aircraft flying in the near future?

Seatmaps are not indicative of what will actually fly, and I would chalk that under the speculation category.

Once a few more aircraft get reconfig'ed and they start making their way randomly through the system, UA will likely switch all international flights to the new seatmap, as this helps prevent overbooking/overupgrading pax.

lexdevil Jul 6, 2008 7:55 pm

I know it's a 100+ page thread, but this info can be found...
 
...here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...s+new&page=108

Post #1610 from C5Crewdog includes the following as of July 4:

The 2 747s flying (3rd is due out next week) are split between IAD/FRA (916/917) and SFO/FRA (900/901)

The 5 767s flying (I believe the 6th is due out next week as well) are flying the following routes with some regularity: ORD/LHR (928/929 and/or 958/949), IAD/FRA (952/953), IAD/ZRH (936/937), IAD/LHR (920/921), and SFO/ORD (134/863). They've also recently flown to GIG/GRU. The new 767s are only flown on the p.s. routing for the first few days before they're deployed on international routes.

Lightman7 Jul 6, 2008 8:00 pm

747
SFO-NRT UA837 starts new seatmap on July 21 (and doesn't show the old map after that date)
NRT-SFO UA 838 starts new seatmap on July 22

And I will voice my opinion that a separate route thread would be welcome to me, rather than fishing through the multiple 747/767/777 threads.

UnitedF1RST Jul 6, 2008 8:03 pm


Originally Posted by cstead (Post 9990957)
Seatmaps are not indicative of what will actually fly, and I would chalk that under the speculation category.

Once a few more aircraft get reconfig'ed and they start making their way randomly through the system, UA will likely switch all international flights to the new seatmap, as this helps prevent overbooking/overupgrading pax.

Certainly a good point, which is why I didn't look any further than I did. The point of this thread, though, is to at least have the information in one consolidated place, rather than sifting through over a 1000 posts to find the pertinent information.

Bitterroot Jul 6, 2008 8:06 pm

Mebbe the time has come to make this a sticky, like the one covering new aircraft and seats on the SQ Krisfyer subforum?

ninja138 Jul 6, 2008 8:10 pm


Originally Posted by Lightman7 (Post 9991015)
747
SFO-NRT UA837 starts new seatmap on July 21 (and doesn't show the old map after that date)
NRT-SFO UA 838 starts new seatmap on July 22

My understanding is the equipment switch won't happen until Sept 2. I think it was in the "SFO-TPE/NGO routes dropped - int'l changes" thread... I may be wrong.

United Cargo is usually more accurate about equipment assignments.

flyinbob Jul 6, 2008 8:42 pm


Originally Posted by UnitedF1RST (Post 9990900)
After thumbing through the 40-some pages in the new-B744 thread and the countless pages in the B763 thread, it is extremely difficult to find exactly which routes the new a/c is appearing on. Perhaps we can use this thread for posting only the routes the a/cs fly on, instead of discussion/speculation regarding other threads/flight numbers?

I'll start. Please keep in mind this list does not necessarily mean every flight with this flight number will have the new seats -- this is the list of routes the new config has been seen on. I will try to keep this as up to date as possible.

Routes Currently Operated By B747-400 With New Business & First Class Cabins
SFO-FRA - UA900
FRA-SFO - UA901
IAD-FRA - UA916
FRA-IAD - UA917

Routes Currently Operated By B767-300 With New Business & First Class Cabins
IAD-FRA - UA952
FRA-IAD - UA953
ORD-LHR - UA958
LHR-ORD - UA929
IAD-ZRH - UA936
ZRH-IAD - UA937

I like it, but it doesn't seem to account for all (or even most for the 767) the configured aircraft. Where are the rest of the planes flying? :confused:

nzpilot Jul 6, 2008 8:48 pm


Originally Posted by UnitedF1RST (Post 9991032)
...The point of this thread, though, is to at least have the information in one consolidated place, rather than sifting through over a 1000 posts to find the pertinent information.

YES! Thank you. The older thread is nearly useless now due to size. If you could keep updating post #1 in this thread it would be extremely useful. Tks for starting it....

lexdevil Jul 6, 2008 9:09 pm


Originally Posted by flyinbob (Post 9991221)
I like it, but it doesn't seem to account for all (or even most for the 767) the configured aircraft. Where are the rest of the planes flying? :confused:

They're covered in the post I copied above. 5 767 planes, 5 transatlantic RTs, plus the occasional domestic flight to/from ORD. The two 747s are covered in first post above.

ORD/LHR 928/929
ORD/LHR 958/949
IAD/FRA 952/953
IAD/ZRH 936/937
IAD/LHR 920/921

UNITED959 Jul 6, 2008 9:16 pm

Hate to rain on your parade, but UA is not LH. (So I'm not certain there's much use for a thread like this.)

When LH does aircraft conversion, and they list on their website which routes have the new [blank] product, they pretty much mean it.

I'm quite certain IPP has been to GRU and CDG. It doesn't happen all the time, but it does happen.

While UA has tried to keep International Premium Product on the FRA routes at least initally, if they run into a scenario where optimal aircraft utlization means an old skool C/F plane goes to FRA and IPP goes elsewhere, they'll do it.

Lightman7 Jul 6, 2008 9:20 pm


Originally Posted by UNITED959 (Post 9991362)

While UA has tried to keep International Premium Product on the FRA routes at least initally, if they run into a scenario where optimal aircraft utlization means an old skool C/F plane goes to FRA and IPP goes elsewhere, they'll do it.

And the OP has pointed this out very well in the first post.

UnitedF1RST Jul 6, 2008 10:07 pm


Originally Posted by lexdevil (Post 9991334)
They're covered in the post I copied above. 5 767 planes, 5 transatlantic RTs, plus the occasional domestic flight to/from ORD. The two 747s are covered in first post above.

ORD/LHR 928/929
ORD/LHR 958/949
IAD/FRA 952/953
IAD/ZRH 936/937
IAD/LHR 920/921

Could you specify which a/c flies which route? Then I'll put it on the first post of the thread so we can keep one running list.


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