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auh2o May 16, 2007 9:22 pm

A Mini is two drinks!
 
On my ORD-LAX flight today the FA brought me the mini bottle of vokda and the tonic and made me make my own drinks all though out flight because she insisted that a mini bottle was two full shots and she could not pour the whole mini in a single glass as the mini was two drinks. :confused:

Say what!

I mean a full can of soda on Ted is one thing but this is First Class on a 777. :td:

What the heck is UA trying to pull?

UCBeau May 16, 2007 9:32 pm

WOW. That's pretty pathetic IMHO.

flygirl94 May 16, 2007 9:37 pm

Oh lordy- where do they find these people? :rolleyes:

cepheid May 16, 2007 9:39 pm

If the mini is 2 oz. then technically it's two shots, but this means FAs can't pour you a double? That's sad and I really see no reason for it.

seamores May 16, 2007 9:45 pm


Originally Posted by auh2o (Post 7750365)
On my ORD-LAX flight today the FA brought me the mini bottle of vokda and the tonic and made me make my own drinks all though out flight because she insisted that a mini bottle was two full shots and she could not pour the whole mini in a single glass as the mini was two drinks. :confused:

Say what!

I mean a full can of soda on Ted is one thing but this is First Class on a 777. :td:

What the heck is UA trying to pull?

I don't know why she made you make your own drinks in first class. That's wierd. One mini is actually the equivalent to one and a half shots. The only policy we have is that we are not allowed to serve two alcoholic beverages at the same time; which would consist of two minis. While many fa's do this anyway, it isn't allowed. Personally the reason I allow it is b/c the flight may be very short and/or you still can continue to monitor regardless. However, in first, they usually give you whatever you want unless you act crazy or something....that's wierd... please don't judge UA FA's based on one single experience.

HonestABE May 16, 2007 9:48 pm

50 milliliters (a mini) is 1.69 ounces.

The only place where that qualifies as a "double" is Lilliput.

BTW, UA has never sought service to LPT since, obviously, E+ would be an unnecessary amenity. :D

auh2o May 16, 2007 9:48 pm


Originally Posted by seamores (Post 7750455)
please don't judge UA FA's based on one single experience.


Never. I know a few awesome US FA's. ;)

markoh May 16, 2007 10:11 pm


Originally Posted by HonestABE (Post 7750461)
50 milliliters (a mini) is 1.69 ounces.

The only place where that qualifies as a "double" is Lilliput.

Or Utah...don't get me started on the measured one ounce pours and the side-cars...and memberships...

Just to make sure this post is UA related, I have never had a UA (or OO) flight attendant pour me anything but a full mini-bottle on a flight into or out of SLC and many of the UA folks will give the second bottle to me if I'm in in F. I guess they feel sorry for me having to brew my own beer in this state.

prncess674 May 16, 2007 10:12 pm

When I first started reading this, I thought you were going to say she was going to charge you two drink chits for the mini in coach.

Okay, silly me for thinking Goldie would be in coach.....bad princess....

Actually I like it when they bring me the minis. I am a high strung princess who likes things exactly MY way. ;)

kokonutz May 16, 2007 10:22 pm

If she's willing to leave me the mini so I can mix a drink during taxi/takeoff then I have no problem! Saves me from having to violate UA rules, FAA regulations, international treaties, the Will of God and the laws of the universe by mixing one from my own stash during that iterminable period between the pre-departure drink and the first round in the air.

But once we're up, mixology is the duty of the staff!!!

bschaff1 May 16, 2007 10:35 pm

This flight attendant should be fired on the spot for this behavior. This is a greivous insult to the OP and if I were in their shoes I would have given the FA the worst tongue lashing in the history of man. And to boot, you were flying first class. Simply pathetic, there is something wrong when someone such as an FA thinks they can enforce their ideals on your enjoyment of life in this manner. I'm not being sarcastic with this post, and hopefully after a letter to WHQ I see this FA on the streets of Chicago begging for money with a 200ml of Dimitri Vodka just so I can tell them off. I guess the OP found the worst FA at United Airlines.

Sorry to hear about this OP. To make sure this never happens again simply bring your own minis in your toiletry bag, and if necessary, put whiskey or rum in a Listerine bottle.

flymetokix May 16, 2007 10:36 pm

I guess mixology isn't covered in 'consistency' training for FAs.

babyjesus May 16, 2007 10:38 pm

God bless my new Nalgene 60 ml bottles! Thanks to FT I invested in some, and no more grumpy me when such silliness ensues. I simply reach into my pocket and violate FAA rules! By the way, they haven't been a problem at security checkpoints, including NRT.

Besides, alcohol will probably be "enhanced" any day now in transpac UA flights.

flymetokix May 16, 2007 10:39 pm


Originally Posted by bschaff1 (Post 7750631)
This flight attendant should be fired on the spot for this behavior. This is a greivous insult to the OP and if I were in their shoes I would have given the FA the worst tongue lashing in the history of man. And to boot, you were flying first class. Simply pathetic, there is something wrong when someone such as an FA thinks they can enforce their ideals on your enjoyment of life in this manner. I'm not being sarcastic with this post, and hopefully after a letter to WHQ I see this FA on the streets of Chicago begging for money with a 200ml of Dimitri Vodka just so I can tell them off. I guess the OP found the worst FA at United Airlines.

Sorry to hear about this OP. To make sure this never happens again simply bring your own minis in your toiletry bag, and if necessary, put whiskey or rum in a Listerine bottle.

Or just drink the Listerine. Don't forget to bring your AA card and your sponsor's number. Holy smokes.

seamores May 16, 2007 10:43 pm


Originally Posted by bschaff1 (Post 7750631)
This flight attendant should be fired on the spot for this behavior. This is a greivous insult to the OP and if I were in their shoes I would have given the FA the worst tongue lashing in the history of man. And to boot, you were flying first class. Simply pathetic, there is something wrong when someone such as an FA thinks they can enforce their ideals on your enjoyment of life in this manner. I'm not being sarcastic with this post, and hopefully after a letter to WHQ I see this FA on the streets of Chicago begging for money with a 200ml of Dimitri Vodka just so I can tell them off. I guess the OP found the worst FA at United Airlines.

Sorry to hear about this OP. To make sure this never happens again simply bring your own minis in your toiletry bag, and if necessary, put whiskey or rum in a Listerine bottle.

While this isn't common practice, there might have been a reason why this fa did what she did. While you are so quick to complain, I wonder if you are as quick to comploment as well.

jjgollum May 16, 2007 10:44 pm

My experience is that the FAs are just as likely to give you 2 minis as to say one is 2 :)

mstraveler May 16, 2007 10:48 pm


Originally Posted by flygirl94 (Post 7750415)
Oh lordy- where do they find these people? :rolleyes:

Article on the front page of the WSJ today talking about how the low pay etc. is driving down the cache of working for the airlines, at all levels, with all of the predictable results. The example in the article was of baggage handlers in Chicago making $8.75/hr. Wonder why the level of care about whether you get your bags -- or your drinks -- is not the same?? Sad but true.

SFO2Everywhere May 16, 2007 11:12 pm

Fa Bs

Liz May 17, 2007 12:04 am

auh2o, since when do you use a mixer? :p

frink May 17, 2007 12:22 am


Originally Posted by seamores (Post 7750455)
The only policy we have is that we are not allowed to serve two alcoholic beverages at the same time.

A couple of days ago on a 4hr flight in F, the FA made me choose between coffee and an alcoholic beverage. "Which one do you want first?" "Can't I have both?" "No. There are rules."

:rolleyes:

flysurfer May 17, 2007 12:31 am

Last weekend, when I asked for a Bloody Mary, I got 2 small cans of Bloody Mary Mix (equaling one full standard can) and two (2) minis of Smirnoff. :)

Then again, this wasn't on UA but on AirTran, which is a LCC. :rolleyes:

RedPanda5 May 17, 2007 12:42 am

gosh united must be desperate to save a few bucks

cblaisd May 17, 2007 2:49 am


Originally Posted by bschaff1 (Post 7750631)
....To make sure this never happens again simply bring your own minis in your toiletry bag, and if necessary, put whiskey or rum in a Listerine bottle.


Originally Posted by kokonutz (Post 7750584)
If she's willing to leave me the mini so I can mix a drink during taxi/takeoff then I have no problem! Saves me from having to violate UA rules, FAA regulations, international treaties, the Will of God and the laws of the universe by mixing one from my own stash during that iterminable period between the pre-departure drink and the first round in the air.

All are against FAA regulations. If I spot this happening, I inform the FA. There are very good reasons for both rules. And even if there weren't good reasons.....

And, "interminable"????

DataPlumber May 17, 2007 5:54 am


Originally Posted by HonestABE (Post 7750461)
50 milliliters (a mini) is 1.69 ounces.

Back when I tended bar in college, we'd call that a single with a nice tail.;) This makes me wonder why the bar in question that I worked is no longer in business. :confused:

But back to topic, a mini is definitely not enough for two drinks. :td: to that FA

BenjaminNYC May 17, 2007 6:04 am


Originally Posted by cblaisd (Post 7751112)
If I spot this happening, I inform the FA.

You feel that's your business? :td:

BenjaminNYC May 17, 2007 6:06 am

I think what the OP experienced was one of the "teetotler" (sp?) FAs. Every once in a while you'll come accros one that feels drinking is a sin and will act all "shocked" and "worried" when you order that third drink on a 6 hour flight. "You're not driving when you land, are you?" :rolleyes:

violist May 17, 2007 6:07 am


Originally Posted by cepheid
If the mini is 2 oz. then technically it's two shots,


Minis haven't been 2 oz in, well, since I was in school.

A shot is, in fact 1 oz, but very few mixed drinks call for just
1 oz of booze. Even in the days when people were smaller
and more temperate, the minimum serving of adult beverage
was 1.5 oz or a "jigger."

kokonutz May 17, 2007 6:48 am


Originally Posted by cblaisd (Post 7751112)
All are against FAA regulations. If I spot this happening, I inform the FA. There are very good reasons for both rules. And even if there weren't good reasons.....

And, "interminable"????

Alas, just about everything worth doing is against some silly, invasive rule or another. An unjust law is itself a species of violence. Arrest for its breach is more so.


Originally Posted by Liz
auh2o, since when do you use a mixer?

Well, technically, ice and a pint glass are 'mixers,' no? @:-)

BenjaminNYC May 17, 2007 6:51 am


Originally Posted by kokonutz (Post 7751667)
Alas, just about everything worth doing is against some silly, invasive rule or another. An unjust law is itself a species of violence. Arrest for its breach is more so.

As is taking it upon one's self to "rat out" those who don't follow this "law". :rolleyes:

BenjaminNYC May 17, 2007 6:53 am

An official "drink" is 1.5 oz of 80 proof liquor, 4 oz of wine, or 12 oz of beer. This FA was clueless, mistrained, evangelical or simply messing with the paying customer. :td:

kokonutz May 17, 2007 7:07 am


Originally Posted by BenjaminNYC (Post 7751682)
As is taking it upon one's self to "rat out" those who don't follow this "law". :rolleyes:

Gandhi (whom I was quoting) never to my knowledge really addressed the issue of 'rats.' But Tony Soprano did. ;)

bschaff1 May 17, 2007 9:49 am


Originally Posted by cblaisd (Post 7751112)
All are against FAA regulations. If I spot this happening, I inform the FA. There are very good reasons for both rules. And even if there weren't good reasons.....

Wow, do you also drive around with a radar gun and notify the police of anybody speeding. I wish I could be so law abiding.

But a shot that is considered technically 1 drink at 80 proof is 1.5 fluid ounces sof if the FA want's to serve you one shot exactly take a 10 ml syringe with markings along and instruct the FA that 4.436 syring fulls are the exact amount to pour to ensure the utmost compliance with the law and not to offend their moral authority.

I really miss the pre August 16, 2006 lack of liquid rules. I would always roll with a bottle of Bailey's in my Ogio backpack with the side pocket that could hold a 750ml perfectly and mix that in with a Venti Starbucks coffee at about a 30 to 70 ratio in the bathroom at ORD.

frink May 17, 2007 10:23 am


Originally Posted by cblaisd (Post 7751112)
There are very good reasons for both rules. And even if there weren't good reasons.....

Which reasons are those?

drummingcraig May 17, 2007 10:34 am


Originally Posted by bschaff1 (Post 7752638)
I really miss the pre August 16, 2006 lack of liquid rules. I would always roll with a bottle of Bailey's in my Ogio backpack with the side pocket that could hold a 750ml perfectly and mix that in with a Venti Starbucks coffee at about a 30 to 70 ratio in the bathroom at ORD.

Now you're talking! ^


I wonder if these would make it through security? It would help us with those pre-flight cocktails! ;)

Reef Flask Sandals

Craig

pinniped May 17, 2007 10:38 am


Originally Posted by cblaisd (Post 7751112)
There are very good reasons for both rules.

Against my better judgment, I'll bite: what are they?

bschaff1 May 17, 2007 10:46 am

I thought it was illegal to be hating on people that indulge on the sacred elixir. Like at MSP for example where is is against the rule for a taxi driver not to give someone a ride if they are carrying alcohol. Just because someone hates something like booze is not a reason to hate on people for enjoying it while slightly bending the rules.

Javan69 May 17, 2007 11:06 am


Originally Posted by frink (Post 7750834)
A couple of days ago on a 4hr flight in F, the FA made me choose between coffee and an alcoholic beverage. "Which one do you want first?" "Can't I have both?" "No. There are rules."

:rolleyes:

------------
Rule 1: alcohol in coffee = 1 beverage. :D
Like the alcohol they serve has no water in it? If they serve alcohol that's been watered down with 60% water, why not serve it where it's been watered down with 80% coffee? :rolleyes:

OTOH, given how rule-obsessed our society has gotten, you can't really blame the FAs too much.

tommy777 May 17, 2007 11:14 am

And the hits just keep on coming....:rolleyes:




Originally Posted by cepheid (Post 7750421)
If the mini is 2 oz. then technically it's two shots

Not where I come from.. ;)

Liz May 17, 2007 11:52 am

Back when I took an alcohol education class to be a bartender, it was 1 shot = 5 oz wine = 12 oz beer. The shot size is apparently up for discussion.

I just pour in the mini and mix the drink. Unless I am asked to make it weak, then I use 1/2 a mini. There is a rule against serving more than one drink at a time, as in no doubles, or not serving two beers, etc. Not 2 drinks (coffee and an alcoholic beverage would be fine).

Ari May 17, 2007 11:57 am


Originally Posted by Liz (Post 7753401)
There is a rule against serving more than one drink at a time, as in no doubles, or not serving two beers, etc. Not 2 drinks (coffee and an alcoholic beverage would be fine).

I figured as much. I have never had a problem getting water or sprite with wine.


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