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Could Punki or someone else please elaborate on this statement? Thanks.

OK, I rise to the bait. Mother Teressa is opposed to birth control in a country with a severe overpopulation problem. I would expect her to be severely questioned by St. Peter on her contributions to the suffering in that region. Being "good" doesn't make you "right".

birdstrike

I'm boggled, as usual, by this statement http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Most certainly everyone on this planet is considered "lost" by one group or another.

Since religion is a matter of faith, and I have faith that all believers are sincere, who is to say who is "lost"?

This should be a sobering thought http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

birdstrike

I'll post this last observation. I once knew a gentleman who lived in a small house built -over- a stream. Every square inch of wall space was covered with photographs and iconology from -every- religious and positive philosophical system.

This person understood something.

Cheers,

birdstrike

Now THAT's a service cutback...

Forget the Godivas, we want the 70's uniforms back! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

I became a Roman Catholic as an adult and the one most impressive statement that I ever read in my Catechism (maybe even have ever heard, regarding religion) was this:

"Never become proud of your faith, for there will always be those who serve God far better than you, who have never even heard His name."

Think about it.

We all (Christians, Jews, Moslems, Buddhists, whatever) have pretty similar core beliefs and most of them boil down to, "Be Nice to One Another". Some of us struggle to adhere to a set of preset and exacting rules, thinking (foolishly, of course) that the "rules will save" us and that somehow we and our clan are the "Guardians of the Truth".

IMHO, the amazing consistency of the "Be Nice to One Another" concept is proof positive that we all are seeking the same God and are just too confused to really get it. Come on, how could we mere mortals really expect to get it?

I have always thought that "getting it" is what heaven is all about and that the "Duh, was I ever off track" hitting oneself in the head is "Purgatory".


So the bottom line is: "Never become proud of your faith, for there will always be those who serve God far better than you, who have never heard His name."

This really isn't that tough a concept.

Punki, Good for you!!!!!!!!!

birdstrike

Personally I can care less what a FA wears around her neck,if she had" I love Charles Manson" I wouldn't bat an eye.

I can see how some people would be offended by the wearing of an item that professes one's religion. We are after all part of a diverse melting pot here in the US and people have all sorts of different beliefs.

As a business owner I would not want one of my staff visibly wearing an item that could be considered divisive or offensive to a customer along the lines of religion or politics. An airline has a standard look in their uniforms and there should be nothing worn that would detract from that uniform.

UA which advertises itself as a global airline should be sensitive to instances of employees wearing items that profess their religious or political beliefs.

I think those of you that say it is only a little thing and the FA should be allowed to wear it proudly need to understand that in some cultures and countries it does matter. The FA is an employee of a public airline and individual expression in a political and religious sense should not be acceptable.

The FA can express her beliefs all she wants once she takes her uniform off.

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Touche Toxa!! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

I am so tired of hearing this crap.

Cultures and countries. Where do we start?

Far East - I don't know of any Japanese that would be "offended" by that sight. They are some of the most polite and civil (despite their WWII past) you can encounter.

Thailand, Vietnam, Singapore - They would never in their right minds get upset over something like this. Some of them, might actually be impressed that the U.S. doesn't "forbid" someone from wearing a cross or similar item.

China - only the leading party officials would be offended as that undermines their authority. (Something you PC folks here need to ponder) You can be thrown in jail for practicing Christianity, or any other religion for that matter, in China. Yet, they still maintain "Most Favored Trade" relations with us. This basically bolsters the coffers of the officials who are diametrically opposed to the ideals the U.S. is supposed to uphold (including Free Speech for the aforementioned PC folks). What crap.

Western and Eastern Europe - Mostly Christian with some Jewish population. - I could see some Jews complaining about seeing "Jesus" written somewhere. They are usually found and most vocal in New York or Miami though.

Middle East - They aren't as hostile as most might think to Christians. A Star of David around your neck is another story though. Don't know what to do with those folks. Israel, and Lebanon, do have somewhat significant populations of Christians and Catholics and they seem to get along just fine.

South America - Predomindantly Catholic and sometimes anti-semitic. A cross and/or "Jesus" on anything will less likely annoy, but rather endear them to you. You might be invited to tea with their Monsieur!

I know I left some places out....I'm sure I'll be appropriately informed also http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

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LLZ, thanks for speaking out. I know there are many out there who feel the same way we do! I wonder how these same people (who are opposed to the religious cards) might feel about censorship of movies, books, etc...???


\QUOTE]Originally posted by LLZ:
I am so tired of hearing this crap.

Cultures and countries. Where do we start?

Far East - I don't know of any Japanese that would be "offended" by that sight. They are some of the most polite and civil (despite their WWII past) you can encounter.

Thailand, Vietnam, Singapore - They would never in their right minds get upset over something like this. Some of them, might actually be impressed that the U.S. doesn't "forbid" someone from wearing a cross or similar item.

China - only the leading party officials would be offended as that undermines their authority. (Something you PC folks here need to ponder) You can be thrown in jail for practicing Christianity, or any other religion for that matter, in China. Yet, they still maintain "Most Favored Trade" relations with us. This basically bolsters the coffers of the officials who are diametrically opposed to the ideals the U.S. is supposed to uphold (including Free Speech for the aforementioned PC folks). What crap.

Western and Eastern Europe - Mostly Christian with some Jewish population. - I could see some Jews complaining about seeing "Jesus" written somewhere. They are usually found and most vocal in New York or Miami though.

Middle East - They aren't as hostile as most might think to Christians. A Star of David around your neck is another story though. Don't know what to do with those folks. Israel, and Lebanon, do have somewhat significant populations of Christians and Catholics and they seem to get along just fine.

South America - Predomindantly Catholic and sometimes anti-semitic. A cross and/or "Jesus" on anything will less likely annoy, but rather endear them to you. You might be invited to tea with their Monsieur!

I know I left some places out....I'm sure I'll be appropriately informed also http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif[/QUOTE]

I was recently on an international flight with my young daughter in which a movie was shown. I don't remember the name of the movie, but I do remember that the movie contained some inappropriate situations (people "making out") for children. I did all I could to distract her but could not totally. Do all of you who feel that religious expressions (e.g., necklaces, cards, etc...) are inappropriate also feel that movies should also be censored? What about on-board magazines? Just wondering...



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Never mind Jesus. I LOVE PUNKI!!! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif