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8MiHi May 23, 2021 5:29 pm

UA's New EWR Terminal A: Security, How to get to, facilities, UC opened 28 June 2023
 
About – New Terminal A Redevelopment – Newark Liberty International Airport (ewrredevelopment.com)

Still on target for a 2022 opening
They say they are going to use some form of flexible gate assignments where multiple airlines may use the same gate

Repooc17 May 23, 2021 8:40 pm

Looking forward to the new terminal. Have been watching the speedy progress over the past year or so especially when flying B6.

That said, I hope it doesn't pull a LGA. As impressive as the new LGA terminal is, the new terminal has opened in phases, which makes sense, but holy cow, there are a lot of walking. I don't mind walking, and I am a fast walker, but I am so used to getting to the airport last minute...much easier with the compactness of EWR Terminal C, or existing Terminal A or B.

cesco.g May 23, 2021 10:52 pm

Hopefully there will be easy & convenient airside connection between the new and existing terminals.

EWR764 May 24, 2021 6:09 am


Originally Posted by cesco.g (Post 33274023)
Hopefully there will be easy & convenient airside connection between the new and existing terminals.

It will be a bus. An AirTrain replacement is in the works but it will be landside like the current system. No plans for an airside automated people mover.

narvik May 24, 2021 6:17 am

I am little confused by the title; have they renamed it again from "Terminal 1" back to "New Terminal A"?

(We had an older thread about this new EWR terminal somewhere, but I can't find it now....)

8MiHi May 24, 2021 6:56 am


Originally Posted by narvik (Post 33274521)
I am little confused by the title; have they renamed it again from "Terminal 1" back to "New Terminal A"?

(We had an older thread about this new EWR terminal somewhere, but I can't find it now....)

Yes. It will now be New Terminal A.
Once old terminal A is demolished I expect they will ease it to simply Terminal A.

Alpha Golf May 24, 2021 5:21 pm


Originally Posted by EWR764 (Post 33274511)
It will be a bus.

So the same very miserable experience.

friends don't let friends connect at EWR.

buckeyefanflyer May 24, 2021 9:03 pm

Making a tight connection from old A to C was not good. The time I ran from A to C on bus ran to my gate like C122 for SJU and door closed 8 minutes before departure.
I asked the agent don’t you look for connections they don’t do that anymore. Had to get to JFK at my own expense and took DL to SJU.
Was in DFW a few weeks ago saw them close the door 10 minutes before departure people who were trying to get on were out of luck.

EWR764 May 25, 2021 5:11 am


Originally Posted by Alpha Golf (Post 33276212)
So the same very miserable experience.

friends don't let friends connect at EWR.

Not recommended...

8MiHi May 25, 2021 6:51 am

An airside walkway is as likely as stumbling upon a unicorn playing cards with Sasquatch

EWR764 May 25, 2021 7:21 am


Originally Posted by 8MiHi (Post 33277422)
An airside walkway is as likely as stumbling upon a unicorn playing cards with Sasquatch

Yep, I don't think such a thing is even under remote consideration. A C-A airside walkway would probably be over a mile long. The current central terminal layout is much more conducive to a walkway, and even that was never developed.

8MiHi May 26, 2021 9:06 am


Originally Posted by EWR764 (Post 33277493)
Yep, I don't think such a thing is even under remote consideration. A C-A airside walkway would probably be over a mile long. The current central terminal layout is much more conducive to a walkway, and even that was never developed.

I have done that walk on the land side and I have taken the bus. Both worked and both were less than ideal.

goodeats21 Aug 20, 2021 2:44 am


Originally Posted by EWR764 (Post 33500604)
Unfortunate to hear and different from what I heard earlier this month.

JetBlue is now using 4 PANYNJ common-use gates previously allocated to United on A-2, and perhaps the volume of passengers in the satellite (plus reduced # departures until November at least) doesn't justify it. By the time EWR is back at full schedule, the opening of the new Terminal A (with a United Club) will be imminent.

I haven't heard much about the new terminal, and very little found in searching. Has it been announced that there will be a United Club there? How many gates in the new terminal is United going to have?

EWR764 Aug 20, 2021 7:54 am


Originally Posted by goodeats21 (Post 33505531)
I haven't heard much about the new terminal, and very little found in searching. Has it been announced that there will be a United Club there? How many gates in the new terminal is United going to have?

Yes, there will be a UC there but details on it are limited. No doubt it will be a large lounge. UA will have about a dozen mainline gates at the beginning.

lincolnjkc Aug 20, 2021 4:50 pm


Originally Posted by Alpha Golf (Post 33276212)
So the same very miserable experience.

friends don't let friends connect at EWR.

Hey, about 1/3 of my chauffeured transfers by UA GS reps have been from A to C -- it's far from a miserable experience when it happens... especially when one of those times was with a coworker who rarely travels :) [Is that dead due to COVID or have I just been an unlucky 1K this year?]

The rest of the time the transfer has been no more miserable than the terminal. I can live with the transfer as long as the bus station atmosphere of A is no more. I just hope the replacement looks/works nothing like the hell that is the new UAX gates at IAH. I like a lot of things about Europe but the whole "We don't let you go anywhere near your gate until moments before boarding" concept is supremely irritating.

Xyzzy Sep 13, 2021 11:00 am


Originally Posted by EWR764 (Post 33564414)
...UA will also be opening a new United Club in Terminal A when that facility is operational.

I believe y:)u mean the new terminal One.

EWR764 Sep 13, 2021 11:02 am


Originally Posted by Xyzzy (Post 33564453)
I believe y:)u mean the new terminal One.

It was, but now it's back to the A/B/C nomenclature.

https://www.ewrredevelopment.com/

Xyzzy Sep 13, 2021 1:29 pm


Originally Posted by EWR764 (Post 33564462)
It was, but now it's back to the A/B/C nomenclature.

https://www.ewrredevelopment.com/

Well, ;)ne can hope that they've finalized the nomenclature because the signage sure could use an update...


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...ad4a80278c.png

I'm glad they have now decided to stick with A / B / C.

threecap Sep 27, 2021 7:57 am


Originally Posted by EWR764 (Post 33564462)
It was, but now it's back to the A/B/C nomenclature.

https://www.ewrredevelopment.com/

Sorry this is offtopic and/or if I'm dense, but what are they going to call the old Terminal A when its renovation is (eventually) complete? It was my understanding that they were eventually replacing the gate areas of Terminal A but it would remain in operation - is that wrong?

lincolnjkc Sep 27, 2021 8:22 am


Originally Posted by threecap (Post 33599573)
Sorry this is offtopic and/or if I'm dense, but what are they going to call the old Terminal A when its renovation is (eventually) complete? It was my understanding that they were eventually replacing the gate areas of Terminal A but it would remain in operation - is that wrong?

"Tarmac", "Asphalt", and "Ramp" being the three leaders I would guess. My understanding is the new building (Terminal 1, Terminal One, Terminal A, Terminal 1ne...what ever PANYNJ is calling it) will completely replace the existing "Bus Station A" which will be demolished and I can envision (without having referred to the master plan) that the space vacated by current Bus Station A may be used for a future renovation/expansion/rebuild of Terminal B but I don't think there's anything salvageable about the current BSA.

EWR764 Sep 27, 2021 8:59 am


Originally Posted by lincolnjkc (Post 33599636)
"Tarmac", "Asphalt", and "Ramp" being the three leaders I would guess. My understanding is the new building (Terminal 1, Terminal One, Terminal A, Terminal 1ne...what ever PANYNJ is calling it) will completely replace the existing "Bus Station A" which will be demolished and I can envision (without having referred to the master plan) that the space vacated by current Bus Station A may be used for a future renovation/expansion/rebuild of Terminal B but I don't think there's anything salvageable about the current BSA.

As I understand it, the 3 "banjos" and connecting walkways will be demolished and the space paved for parking airplanes. The demolition process is starting with the A-1 concourse, which closes later this week and will be torn down by the end of the year. The current Terminal A headhouse will be closed when the new facility opens, but not demolished until the existing AirTrain is finally decommissioned, because the monorail guideway runs through, and is integral to the structure of the building. It would have been too costly and too much of an engineering headache to try to demolish the headhouse around the monorail guideway, or build in a temporary right-of-way for an obsolete system that is due to be replaced in the next few years anyway.

Eventually the area occupied by the current Terminal A complex (buildings, roadways and parking lot) will be part of the Terminal B replacement, but that's unlikely until later in the decade.

threecap Sep 27, 2021 9:04 am


Originally Posted by EWR764 (Post 33599763)
The current Terminal A headhouse will be closed when the new facility opens, but not demolished until the existing AirTrain is finally decommissioned, because the monorail guideway runs through, and is integral to the structure of the building. It would have been too costly and too much of an engineering headache to try to demolish the headhouse around the monorail guideway, or build in a temporary right-of-way for a system that is due to be replaced in the next few years anyway.

I was told by someone that the Term A "headhouse" as you call it had some historic designation that prevented it from being demolished. No idea whether any part of that is true. But it makes a lot more sense that the entire Term A area would be transitioned to non-terminal use, or used for future development, instead of being salvaged in any way. Thx for the off-topic responses

EWR764 Sep 27, 2021 9:35 am


Originally Posted by threecap (Post 33599784)
I was told by someone that the Term A "headhouse" as you call it had some historic designation that prevented it from being demolished. No idea whether any part of that is true. But it makes a lot more sense that the entire Term A area would be transitioned to non-terminal use, or used for future development, instead of being salvaged in any way. Thx for the off-topic responses

While it has some architectural significance, AFAIK no historical designations for any of the buildings in the 1973 EWR complex have been sought or awarded. The fact that two other identical headhouses exist (B+C) and there are no plans at all to replace C in the next 20-30 years, suggest to me that even if some "Save Terminal A" groundswell were to crop up, it probably would not be effective. Other buildings in the PANYNJ portfolio with arguably greater architectural or historical gravitas (Sundrome, Worldport, AA stained glass wall, LGA hangars) have been unceremoniously torn down in the modern era, so I am not particularly optimistic that the current Terminal A will be afforded any special status.

emcampbe Sep 27, 2021 1:19 pm


Originally Posted by EWR764 (Post 33599763)
....but not demolished until the existing AirTrain is finally decommissioned

Wait...is the AirTrain going to be decommisioned? And replaced by? I haven't seen the detailed plan, but am curious.


Originally Posted by threecap (Post 33599784)
I was told by someone that the Term A "headhouse" as you call it had some historic designation that prevented it from being demolished. No idea whether any part of that is true.

Having been through Term A more times than I wish to think about, I can't imagine what historical designation it might be able to get. Is there someone that is really willing to invest time/$ to keep this thing standing.

goodeats21 Sep 27, 2021 2:21 pm


Originally Posted by Xyzzy (Post 33564906)
Well, ;)ne can hope that they've finalized the nomenclature because the signage sure could use an update...


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...ad4a80278c.png

I'm glad they have now decided to stick with A / B / C.

Pretty sure I remember seeing a new sign put up in this spot on a recent drive to EWR...think it was blue now.

EWAarghhh Sep 27, 2021 2:29 pm

what should I say? EWArrrrghhhh

Repooc17 Sep 27, 2021 2:33 pm


Originally Posted by EWAarghhh (Post 33600738)
what should I say? EWArrrrghhhh

Perfecto!

EWR764 Sep 27, 2021 3:05 pm


Originally Posted by emcampbe (Post 33600527)
Wait...is the AirTrain going to be decommisioned? And replaced by? I haven't seen the detailed plan, but am curious.

Eventually. In August, it passed federal environmental review, which was its latest hurdle. Reportedly, it is on track for a 2022 construction start, and 2026 service entry. As of now, it has a $2b++ pricetag in its own right, which is approaching the cost of the entire new Terminal A.

The existing system started operations in 1996 and had a 25-year expected service life... bringing us to 2021. Hopefully Bombardier is able to squeeze another 5 years of primary use out of it!

Worth noting is that while the new system will be more reliable, faster, more spacious and better in nearly every way than the current, its approved alignment will require some very long walks (in enclosed walkways) to get to Terminals B and C. The new system will not be nearly as convenient as the AirTrain stations in the current buildings.

WineCountryUA Sep 27, 2021 3:20 pm


Originally Posted by EWR764 (Post 33600839)
.... Worth noting is that while the new system will be more reliable, faster, more spacious and better in nearly every way than the current, ....

Isn't that the standard mantra?
If you can not outperform a 25 year old transportation system ......

And then we have that New, Improved ORD ATS ..... (not an invitation to go off-topic -- it has its own thread)

Xyzzy Sep 27, 2021 4:09 pm


Originally Posted by emcampbe (Post 33600527)
Wait...is the AirTrain going to be decommisioned? And replaced by? I haven't seen the detailed plan, but am curious.



Having been through Term A more times than I wish to think about, I can't imagine what historical designation it might be able to get. Is there someone that is really willing to invest time/$ to keep this thing standing.

I've read that the existing A "headhouse" was to be designated or already was designated as a historical building. And B and C are each quite different from the original design now... I guess we'll see what happens when the existing monorail is replaced. Oh - and get ready to walk. The replacement will be inc:onvenient and quite the PANYNJ boondoggle. I guess it's fitting, then.

Comments from an article on the replacement:

...The authority received 13 comments during public comment period between Feb. 11 to March 12, 2021 on the plan. The most critical comments questioned if a 2,200- foot walk between the proposed Station 3 to Terminal B would deter people from using the AirTrain, even if proposed moving sidewalks were installed. “This plan is especially unfair to the elderly and the disabled, but anyone with bags will hesitate to use this new AirTrain given the long walk to Terminals B and C,” wrote one commentor, Brad Rusoff, in an email. He also said the the current $10.75 combined AirTrain/NJ Transit fare from Newark Penn Station to the airport makes using a for hire vehicle more attractive. “Add in the long walk to from the proposed AirTrain to the terminals and skipping the AirTrain will be a no brainer,” Rusoff said.
Here is a map of the proposed replacement:


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...6786d73c5c.png

dmurphynj Sep 27, 2021 4:36 pm


Originally Posted by EWR764 (Post 33599887)
Other buildings in the PANYNJ portfolio with arguably greater architectural or historical gravitas (Sundrome, Worldport, AA stained glass wall, LGA hangars) have been unceremoniously torn down in the modern era, so I am not particularly optimistic that the current Terminal A will be afforded any special status.

I know several people that led the Save the Worldport campaign, and as far as I can tell, there's absolutely no love lost for Terminal A. Not even in the same stratosphere.

I understood and support the saving of Building 1 (which is an Art Deco *masterpiece*!) but Terminal A? That thing can't leave soon enough.

Repooc17 Sep 27, 2021 5:00 pm


Originally Posted by Xyzzy (Post 33600966)
I've read that the existing A "headhouse" was to be designated or already was designated as a historical building. And B and C are each quite different from the original design now... I guess we'll see what happens when the existing monorail is replaced. Oh - and get ready to walk. The replacement will be inc:onvenient and quite the PANYNJ boondoggle. I guess it's fitting, then.

Comments from an article on the replacement:

Here is a map of the proposed replacement:


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...6786d73c5c.png

From a people mover standpoint, this is chaos. The walk to Terminal B, holy cow, and I thought the walk from AirTrain JFK to Terminal 5 is long. The current compactness and quick entry/exit from EWR terminals to/from AirTrain to/from rail station is a positive standpoint. Spending untold amount of $ to make things worse - amazing.

DELee Sep 27, 2021 5:21 pm


Originally Posted by Xyzzy (Post 33600966)
I've read that the existing A "headhouse" was to be designated or already was designated as a historical building. And B and C are each quite different from the original design now... I guess we'll see what happens when the existing monorail is replaced. Oh - and get ready to walk. The replacement will be inc:onvenient and quite the PANYNJ boondoggle. I guess it's fitting, then.

Comments from an article on the replacement:

Here is a map of the proposed replacement:


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...6786d73c5c.png

Why does this remind me of IAD's AeroTrain?

David

EWR764 Sep 27, 2021 6:56 pm

Did some quick research... can't find any documentation to support the notion that Terminal A is on any sort of historical register. The old PA Administration Building, Marine Air Terminal and TWA Flight Center are the only terminal buildings at the PANYNJ airports designated as such.

There's really no unusual architectural or historical signifance of the Terminal A headhouse that would make it worthy of preservation. Too big, too expensive and not important enough to do so, IMO.

WasKnown Sep 27, 2021 7:18 pm


Originally Posted by Repooc17 (Post 33601079)
Spending untold amount of $ to make things worse - amazing.

Welcome to New Jersey

PsiFighter37 Sep 27, 2021 8:58 pm

Even with a United Club membership, A2 was a dump. The new terminal can't be any worse. That said, if they are planning to redevelop the entire airport, one terminal at a time, I sure hope they build a mass transit option that makes sense. The current AirTrain is dinky, is way too slow, but it gets the job done. If they build a replacement merely accounting for the new Terminal A, that is really asinine...unless they anticipate it will take decades to get other parts of the airport done. Not unlikely given the bureaucracy managing it!

Xyzzy Sep 28, 2021 1:11 am


Originally Posted by PsiFighter37 (Post 33601553)
Even with a United Club membership, A2 was a dump. The new terminal can't be any worse. That said, if they are planning to redevelop the entire airport, one terminal at a time, I sure hope they build a mass transit option that makes sense. The current AirTrain is dinky, is way too slow, but it gets the job done. If they build a replacement merely accounting for the new Terminal A, that is really asinine...unless they anticipate it will take decades to get other parts of the airport done. Not unlikely given the bureaucracy managing it!

The long term plan IIRC is at least to replace B in 10 or 15 years. Have a look at the map I posted - the blue bit is where the B replacement g:eek:es. I think that to build the new train the way it is proposed is completely stupid. A 2,200 foot walk / moving walkway leads one to ask, "What are they thinking?"

WasKnown Sep 28, 2021 6:20 am


Originally Posted by PsiFighter37 (Post 33601553)
The current AirTrain is dinky, is way too slow, but it gets the job done. If they build a replacement merely accounting for the new Terminal A, that is really asinine...unless they anticipate it will take decades to get other parts of the airport done. Not unlikely given the bureaucracy managing it!

Welcome to New Jersey

lincolnjkc Sep 28, 2021 6:32 am


Originally Posted by Xyzzy (Post 33601886)
I think that to build the new train the way it is proposed is completely stupid. A 2,200 foot walk / moving walkway leads one to ask, "What are they thinking?"

"We like what IAD did with theirs!"

Xyzzy Sep 28, 2021 6:33 am


Originally Posted by lincolnjkc (Post 33602264)
"We like what IAD did with theirs!"

...but our inconvenient walkway to the train will be even longer. We're number :rolleyes:ne!


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