UA's New EWR Terminal A: Security, How to get to, facilities, UC opened 28 June 2023
About – New Terminal A Redevelopment – Newark Liberty International Airport (ewrredevelopment.com)
Still on target for a 2022 opening They say they are going to use some form of flexible gate assignments where multiple airlines may use the same gate |
Looking forward to the new terminal. Have been watching the speedy progress over the past year or so especially when flying B6.
That said, I hope it doesn't pull a LGA. As impressive as the new LGA terminal is, the new terminal has opened in phases, which makes sense, but holy cow, there are a lot of walking. I don't mind walking, and I am a fast walker, but I am so used to getting to the airport last minute...much easier with the compactness of EWR Terminal C, or existing Terminal A or B. |
Hopefully there will be easy & convenient airside connection between the new and existing terminals.
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Originally Posted by cesco.g
(Post 33274023)
Hopefully there will be easy & convenient airside connection between the new and existing terminals.
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I am little confused by the title; have they renamed it again from "Terminal 1" back to "New Terminal A"?
(We had an older thread about this new EWR terminal somewhere, but I can't find it now....) |
Originally Posted by narvik
(Post 33274521)
I am little confused by the title; have they renamed it again from "Terminal 1" back to "New Terminal A"?
(We had an older thread about this new EWR terminal somewhere, but I can't find it now....) Once old terminal A is demolished I expect they will ease it to simply Terminal A. |
Originally Posted by EWR764
(Post 33274511)
It will be a bus.
friends don't let friends connect at EWR. |
Making a tight connection from old A to C was not good. The time I ran from A to C on bus ran to my gate like C122 for SJU and door closed 8 minutes before departure.
I asked the agent don’t you look for connections they don’t do that anymore. Had to get to JFK at my own expense and took DL to SJU. Was in DFW a few weeks ago saw them close the door 10 minutes before departure people who were trying to get on were out of luck. |
Originally Posted by Alpha Golf
(Post 33276212)
So the same very miserable experience.
friends don't let friends connect at EWR. |
An airside walkway is as likely as stumbling upon a unicorn playing cards with Sasquatch
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Originally Posted by 8MiHi
(Post 33277422)
An airside walkway is as likely as stumbling upon a unicorn playing cards with Sasquatch
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Originally Posted by EWR764
(Post 33277493)
Yep, I don't think such a thing is even under remote consideration. A C-A airside walkway would probably be over a mile long. The current central terminal layout is much more conducive to a walkway, and even that was never developed.
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Originally Posted by EWR764
(Post 33500604)
Unfortunate to hear and different from what I heard earlier this month.
JetBlue is now using 4 PANYNJ common-use gates previously allocated to United on A-2, and perhaps the volume of passengers in the satellite (plus reduced # departures until November at least) doesn't justify it. By the time EWR is back at full schedule, the opening of the new Terminal A (with a United Club) will be imminent. |
Originally Posted by goodeats21
(Post 33505531)
I haven't heard much about the new terminal, and very little found in searching. Has it been announced that there will be a United Club there? How many gates in the new terminal is United going to have?
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Originally Posted by Alpha Golf
(Post 33276212)
So the same very miserable experience.
friends don't let friends connect at EWR. The rest of the time the transfer has been no more miserable than the terminal. I can live with the transfer as long as the bus station atmosphere of A is no more. I just hope the replacement looks/works nothing like the hell that is the new UAX gates at IAH. I like a lot of things about Europe but the whole "We don't let you go anywhere near your gate until moments before boarding" concept is supremely irritating. |
Originally Posted by EWR764
(Post 33564414)
...UA will also be opening a new United Club in Terminal A when that facility is operational.
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Originally Posted by Xyzzy
(Post 33564453)
I believe y:)u mean the new terminal One.
https://www.ewrredevelopment.com/ |
Originally Posted by EWR764
(Post 33564462)
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...ad4a80278c.png I'm glad they have now decided to stick with A / B / C. |
Originally Posted by EWR764
(Post 33564462)
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Originally Posted by threecap
(Post 33599573)
Sorry this is offtopic and/or if I'm dense, but what are they going to call the old Terminal A when its renovation is (eventually) complete? It was my understanding that they were eventually replacing the gate areas of Terminal A but it would remain in operation - is that wrong?
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Originally Posted by lincolnjkc
(Post 33599636)
"Tarmac", "Asphalt", and "Ramp" being the three leaders I would guess. My understanding is the new building (Terminal 1, Terminal One, Terminal A, Terminal 1ne...what ever PANYNJ is calling it) will completely replace the existing "Bus Station A" which will be demolished and I can envision (without having referred to the master plan) that the space vacated by current Bus Station A may be used for a future renovation/expansion/rebuild of Terminal B but I don't think there's anything salvageable about the current BSA.
Eventually the area occupied by the current Terminal A complex (buildings, roadways and parking lot) will be part of the Terminal B replacement, but that's unlikely until later in the decade. |
Originally Posted by EWR764
(Post 33599763)
The current Terminal A headhouse will be closed when the new facility opens, but not demolished until the existing AirTrain is finally decommissioned, because the monorail guideway runs through, and is integral to the structure of the building. It would have been too costly and too much of an engineering headache to try to demolish the headhouse around the monorail guideway, or build in a temporary right-of-way for a system that is due to be replaced in the next few years anyway.
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Originally Posted by threecap
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I was told by someone that the Term A "headhouse" as you call it had some historic designation that prevented it from being demolished. No idea whether any part of that is true. But it makes a lot more sense that the entire Term A area would be transitioned to non-terminal use, or used for future development, instead of being salvaged in any way. Thx for the off-topic responses
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Originally Posted by EWR764
(Post 33599763)
....but not demolished until the existing AirTrain is finally decommissioned
Originally Posted by threecap
(Post 33599784)
I was told by someone that the Term A "headhouse" as you call it had some historic designation that prevented it from being demolished. No idea whether any part of that is true.
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Originally Posted by Xyzzy
(Post 33564906)
Well, ;)ne can hope that they've finalized the nomenclature because the signage sure could use an update...
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...ad4a80278c.png I'm glad they have now decided to stick with A / B / C. |
what should I say? EWArrrrghhhh
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Originally Posted by EWAarghhh
(Post 33600738)
what should I say? EWArrrrghhhh
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Originally Posted by emcampbe
(Post 33600527)
Wait...is the AirTrain going to be decommisioned? And replaced by? I haven't seen the detailed plan, but am curious.
The existing system started operations in 1996 and had a 25-year expected service life... bringing us to 2021. Hopefully Bombardier is able to squeeze another 5 years of primary use out of it! Worth noting is that while the new system will be more reliable, faster, more spacious and better in nearly every way than the current, its approved alignment will require some very long walks (in enclosed walkways) to get to Terminals B and C. The new system will not be nearly as convenient as the AirTrain stations in the current buildings. |
Originally Posted by EWR764
(Post 33600839)
.... Worth noting is that while the new system will be more reliable, faster, more spacious and better in nearly every way than the current, ....
If you can not outperform a 25 year old transportation system ...... And then we have that New, Improved ORD ATS ..... (not an invitation to go off-topic -- it has its own thread) |
Originally Posted by emcampbe
(Post 33600527)
Wait...is the AirTrain going to be decommisioned? And replaced by? I haven't seen the detailed plan, but am curious.
Having been through Term A more times than I wish to think about, I can't imagine what historical designation it might be able to get. Is there someone that is really willing to invest time/$ to keep this thing standing. Comments from an article on the replacement: ...The authority received 13 comments during public comment period between Feb. 11 to March 12, 2021 on the plan. The most critical comments questioned if a 2,200- foot walk between the proposed Station 3 to Terminal B would deter people from using the AirTrain, even if proposed moving sidewalks were installed. “This plan is especially unfair to the elderly and the disabled, but anyone with bags will hesitate to use this new AirTrain given the long walk to Terminals B and C,” wrote one commentor, Brad Rusoff, in an email. He also said the the current $10.75 combined AirTrain/NJ Transit fare from Newark Penn Station to the airport makes using a for hire vehicle more attractive. “Add in the long walk to from the proposed AirTrain to the terminals and skipping the AirTrain will be a no brainer,” Rusoff said. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...6786d73c5c.png |
Originally Posted by EWR764
(Post 33599887)
Other buildings in the PANYNJ portfolio with arguably greater architectural or historical gravitas (Sundrome, Worldport, AA stained glass wall, LGA hangars) have been unceremoniously torn down in the modern era, so I am not particularly optimistic that the current Terminal A will be afforded any special status.
I understood and support the saving of Building 1 (which is an Art Deco *masterpiece*!) but Terminal A? That thing can't leave soon enough. |
Originally Posted by Xyzzy
(Post 33600966)
I've read that the existing A "headhouse" was to be designated or already was designated as a historical building. And B and C are each quite different from the original design now... I guess we'll see what happens when the existing monorail is replaced. Oh - and get ready to walk. The replacement will be inc:onvenient and quite the PANYNJ boondoggle. I guess it's fitting, then.
Comments from an article on the replacement: Here is a map of the proposed replacement: https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...6786d73c5c.png |
Originally Posted by Xyzzy
(Post 33600966)
I've read that the existing A "headhouse" was to be designated or already was designated as a historical building. And B and C are each quite different from the original design now... I guess we'll see what happens when the existing monorail is replaced. Oh - and get ready to walk. The replacement will be inc:onvenient and quite the PANYNJ boondoggle. I guess it's fitting, then.
Comments from an article on the replacement: Here is a map of the proposed replacement: https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...6786d73c5c.png David |
Did some quick research... can't find any documentation to support the notion that Terminal A is on any sort of historical register. The old PA Administration Building, Marine Air Terminal and TWA Flight Center are the only terminal buildings at the PANYNJ airports designated as such.
There's really no unusual architectural or historical signifance of the Terminal A headhouse that would make it worthy of preservation. Too big, too expensive and not important enough to do so, IMO. |
Originally Posted by Repooc17
(Post 33601079)
Spending untold amount of $ to make things worse - amazing.
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Even with a United Club membership, A2 was a dump. The new terminal can't be any worse. That said, if they are planning to redevelop the entire airport, one terminal at a time, I sure hope they build a mass transit option that makes sense. The current AirTrain is dinky, is way too slow, but it gets the job done. If they build a replacement merely accounting for the new Terminal A, that is really asinine...unless they anticipate it will take decades to get other parts of the airport done. Not unlikely given the bureaucracy managing it!
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Originally Posted by PsiFighter37
(Post 33601553)
Even with a United Club membership, A2 was a dump. The new terminal can't be any worse. That said, if they are planning to redevelop the entire airport, one terminal at a time, I sure hope they build a mass transit option that makes sense. The current AirTrain is dinky, is way too slow, but it gets the job done. If they build a replacement merely accounting for the new Terminal A, that is really asinine...unless they anticipate it will take decades to get other parts of the airport done. Not unlikely given the bureaucracy managing it!
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Originally Posted by PsiFighter37
(Post 33601553)
The current AirTrain is dinky, is way too slow, but it gets the job done. If they build a replacement merely accounting for the new Terminal A, that is really asinine...unless they anticipate it will take decades to get other parts of the airport done. Not unlikely given the bureaucracy managing it!
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Originally Posted by Xyzzy
(Post 33601886)
I think that to build the new train the way it is proposed is completely stupid. A 2,200 foot walk / moving walkway leads one to ask, "What are they thinking?"
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Originally Posted by lincolnjkc
(Post 33602264)
"We like what IAD did with theirs!"
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