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Originally Posted by Bunky
(Post 31980925)
737 current 329, growing to 338 by EOY, +9
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In fact, it looks like the MAXs weren't even counted in the Fleet Totals.
With 14 MAXs today's total 737s would be 343, not 329. And a YE total of 338 would have a reduction of current aircraft if the 14 in GYR are counted and no additional delivered. |
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N822UA entered SFO 1873/18Jan, 12F mod? N825UA entered LCQ 2746/22Jan, 12F mod? 772: N791UA entered XMN maint 2746/23Jan 78X: N12012 in PDX for EvoBlu livery - undelivered |
Sorry, I could've made this a little more clear.
Originally Posted by findark
(Post 31977337)
I assume so, yes. 20F would be for the 16F configuration of the 320. The pmUA craft like to use that schema (the 737s were always 37 and then a letter).
I realize this is unpopular for FT but IMO this was a move for the better... 16F is bordering on too many pax for a single FA to handle in a timely manner (particularly on on a short flight) in addition to all of their other purser duties |
Originally Posted by fezzington
(Post 31985245)
I realize this is unpopular for FT but IMO this was a move for the better... 16F is bordering on too many pax for a single FA to handle in a timely manner (particularly on on a short flight) in addition to all of their other purser duties
If I had to guess, I would wager United hasn't totally abandoned the concept, but since it most likely requires a reconfiguration to "SpaceFlex" standard in the aft galley area, it would be much more time-consuming mod than the 319s. With the MAX grounding, I wouldn't be surprised if UA put the project on ice until that issue is settled. |
Originally Posted by fezzington
(Post 31985245)
Sorry, I could've made this a little more clear.
Exactly. 20F was the fleet code for the former-20S birds converted to have 16F Seats. 20G was the fleet code for the former-20C tails. Neither appear to have any movement. I realize this is unpopular for FT but IMO this was a move for the better... 16F is bordering on too many pax for a single FA to handle in a timely manner (particularly on on a short flight) in addition to all of their other purser duties |
Not to pile on, but 738 seems to do just fine with 16 FC seats.
But as always, we appreciate your insights, fezzington. As well as your opinions. |
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N14102 sked to exit MIA 2015/24Jan in 16F/160Y configuration. I don't really understand why the 320 reconfiguration (to gain a row of F) was trying to squeeze in to retain the 2 lost seats (+4F, -6Y) and adding a closet. The 319 style added row of F takes only 3 total inches - this can be done by just repitching non-bulkhead rows 2 and 3 from 39 to 38 (2 inch gain) and going to 34 from 35 in any E+ row or an inch from the E+ bulkhead. Pull a 35 inch row of Y, add a 38 inch row of F. UA has been moving quickly with the easy 319 mod, similar to the E+ conversion of pmCO units done mostly at INT. UA must have thought there was more room to gain to retain the 2 seats and add a closet by changing F pitch to 36 or 37, E+ to 34 (or even 33) and adding 2 seats by the exit with considerably reduced exit row pitch. IMHO that isn't worth the effort and the question becomes whether extra F seats is better for Upgrades/sales and commonality. How much does reduced pitch in E+ affect travelers? 12F is common with 319 - with 16F is common with the 738 understanding the swap would mostly be between Airbus units. As for 16F for service in First, how does the 738 at 16F do service differently than the Airbus fleet? Maybe the stage lengths in general are longer in the 738. |
Posting this here as we know UA was keenly interested in Boeing's NMA. I guess they'll need to look elsewhere for the 767 replacements.
Originally Posted by Seattle Times
Calhoun also disclosed he has instructed engineers to go back to the drawing board for Boeing’s next new airplane. That reset could have a significant strategic impact on the competitive balance with rival Airbus, a sign of how deeply the MAX crisis has damaged Boeing. The new jet that Boeing was once expected to launch last year at the Paris Air Show now seems years away.
... Calhoun announced that the development work Boeing has been doing for several years on a new airplane — internally known as the New Midmarket Airplane (NMA) — is starting over. “We’re not giving up on the future,” he said. “But for me, my attention and that of my executive team, I simply want to be focused” on fixing the MAX and re-emphasizing engineering and safety. |
Originally Posted by coolbeans202
(Post 31985587)
Posting this here as we know UA was keenly interested in Boeing's NMA. I guess they'll need to look elsewhere for the 767 replacements.
https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...to-restore-it/ |
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N822UA sked to exit SFO 2426/25Jan with 12F mod completed N848UA exited AMA 2733/23Jan in Evo Blu livery |
Originally Posted by mike2003242
(Post 31987520)
With the retrofits, they've got another 5-10 years in them. Boeings NMA can realistically still be in service by then.
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Originally Posted by usbusinesstraveller
(Post 31988236)
Given that the 757 replacements have gone to Airbus, would there be enough demand for just a 767 replacement? Given that Boeing is going to owe UA hundreds of millions if not $1-2b in compo for the Max, might it not be better for both sides to just offer a $2-4b discount (maybe more) on an order for 788s and/or 789s? That’ll save Boeing billions in developing a new aircraft and get UA a good deal over the life of the planes they buy. Airbus doesn’t have a suitable mid-market 767 replacement either.
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738:
N77530 exited AMA paint 2737/23Jan in EvoBlu paint. 738 at 10% EvoBlu |
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