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Old Jul 16, 2019, 1:06 am
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July 1983 Royal Pacific Service 747

Found this wonderful material referring to this UAL branded Royal Pacific Service:





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Old Jul 16, 2019, 1:44 am
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Wow, so many decades before they finally got rid of 4 across F and 8 across J.
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Old Jul 16, 2019, 3:33 am
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Thanks for sharing! One naive question: how did they separate the smoking and non-smoking sections of the aircraft? Wouldn't the smoke fill the entire aircraft anyways?
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Thanks for sharing! One naive question: how did they separate the smoking and non-smoking sections of the aircraft? Wouldn't the smoke fill the entire aircraft anyways?
They didn't. It was always a joy sitting a row or two ahead of the smoking section in the official Non Smoking rows. The smoke never got the message. It was even a bigger joy if the only seats left were in the smoking section.
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Old Jul 16, 2019, 5:24 am
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July 1983 — 2 years before UA bought PA’s Pacific network. I’d forgotten that United already had a couple of Pacific routes before the Pan Am deal.
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Old Jul 16, 2019, 5:38 am
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They didn't. It was always a joy sitting a row or two ahead of the smoking section in the official Non Smoking rows. The smoke never got the message. It was even a bigger joy if the only seats left were in the smoking section.
yes it was akin to having a peeing section in a pool
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Old Jul 16, 2019, 6:24 am
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Originally Posted by seat38a
They didn't. It was always a joy sitting a row or two ahead of the smoking section in the official Non Smoking rows. The smoke never got the message. It was even a bigger joy if the only seats left were in the smoking section.
Yes, usually the passengers who smoked on planes were the chain smokers.......Being stuck near them for 10 hours was awful. The smoking ban became effective later for international flights than for domestic flights.
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Old Jul 16, 2019, 7:12 am
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I too have this exact same pamphlet buried somewhere, along with several other seat map pamphlets that UA used to publish, and old timetables. I need to dig that stuff up again!

As for smoking, it was ubiquitous back then. And while a plane was a bit different, one couldn't escape 2nd hand smoke on a plane or otherwise--offices, parks, even hospitals...It was like the line in The Blues Brothers, "How often does the train go by?"..."So often you won't even notice".
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Old Jul 16, 2019, 7:20 am
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I too have this exact same pamphlet buried somewhere, along with several other seat map pamphlets that UA used to publish, and old timetables. I need to dig that stuff up again!

As for smoking, it was ubiquitous back then. And while a plane was a bit different, one couldn't escape 2nd hand smoke on a plane or otherwise--offices, it was like the line in The Blues Brothers, "How often does the train go by?"..."So often you won't even notice".
I noticed it. And hated it. To this day, I won’t rent a hotel room if a smoker once occupied it.
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Old Jul 16, 2019, 7:26 am
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I have one of the royal pacific service amenity kits somewhere, as well as a royal pacific service deck of cards.
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yes it was akin to having a peeing section in a pool
Yes, this is my guess! The non-smoking section is in name only (Of-course, it is still miles better than directly sitting inside a smoking section.) Too bad!
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Old Jul 16, 2019, 7:43 am
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Old Jul 16, 2019, 7:50 am
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Ah, that set back from when the 747s were only 2-4-3 in Y
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Old Jul 16, 2019, 7:52 am
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Originally Posted by lixiaojuventus
Yes, this is my guess! The non-smoking section is in name only (Of-course, it is still miles better than directly sitting inside a smoking section.) Too bad!
It's good to be young and never have experienced that! I started flying in 1982 just when I finished college and my wife started flying in 1960 as a toddler so we both had too many of those flights. In Economy you had more chances to be in a row far away from the smokers. In international Business Class in the 90's, my wife was sometimes in planes were there were three rows for non smokers and two rows for smokers.
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Old Jul 16, 2019, 7:53 am
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Originally Posted by lixiaojuventus
Thanks for sharing! One naive question: how did they separate the smoking and non-smoking sections of the aircraft? Wouldn't the smoke fill the entire aircraft anyways?
As noted earlier, there was no physical barrier. Your only defense was airflow, which was generally front to back. I recall that once when I was seated in the last row of nonsmoking, I pointed all of the overhead air vents as far backwards as I could and opened them up wide to prevent the smoke from wafting forward. A lady in the row behind me requested that I close the vents because they were making her feel cold. My response was something on the order of if she and the other people in her row would stop smoking, I would consider it. I can't remember what the resolution was, but I think it was for them to continue smoking (it's an addiction) and for me to leave the vents open.
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