Nov 30, 2018, 9:19 am
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UA PP mini site online, thanks @coolbeans202
http://view.ceros.com/united/premiumplus/p/1
http://view.ceros.com/united/premiumplus/p/1
- United® Premium Plus will be available for sale beginning December 3 for travel March 30 and beyond.
- Long-haul flights that will offer United® Premium Plus include trans-Pacific flights, trans-Atlantic flights and flights from the U.S. to these South American destinations: Buenos Aires, Lima, Rio de Janeiro, Santiago, São Paulo. For a complete list of planned PP markets, see the press release below.
- Revenue Premium Plus fare codes are O, A, and R.
- Award Premium Plus fare code is ON.
- Upgrade Premium Plus fare code is RN.
- Earn 150% Premier qualifying miles and 1.5 Premier qualifying segments when you purchase a fare in United® Premium Plus.
- Upgrade instruments (GPU or miles+cash) can be used to upgrade to PE and/or J. There will be no fare class restriction for Y -> PE upgrades, and no fare class restriction for PE -> J upgrades.
- If a pax requests an upgrade to either cabin, and clears into the PE cabin, they will remain waitlisted for the J cabin but the instrument will considered used for the PE upgrade (except miles+cash is expected to have a separate upgrade chart and a partial refund will be issued in this case).
- PE fares will delegate to B (Economy) on UA domestic sectors and will allow free E+, and lowest available up to Y/U/Q on partner metal sectors with a UA code.
United Airlines Announces Sale Date for United® Premium Plus, Airline's Premium Economy Offering
CHICAGO, Nov. 30, 2018 /PRNewswire/ -- Today, United Airlines announced that its newest premium seating, United® Premium Plus will be on sale beginning December 3, for travel on select international flights starting March 30, 2019. The new premium economy experience will be available on 21 routes by the end of May 2019.
"United® Premium Plus gives our customers more options so they can choose the best experience that fits their wants and needs when they travel," said Andrew Nocella, United's executive vice president and chief commercial officer. "United® Premium Plus includes some of our high-end amenities from United Polaris, and is the perfect option for someone who wants an upgraded experience in the Economy cabin."
Customers traveling in United® Premium Plus will enjoy an elevated travel experience before their flight even leaves the ground, receiving complimentary standard checked bags, as well as Premier Access check-in and priority boarding. United will also offer discounted entrance at United ClubSM locations for customers traveling in United® Premium Plus.
For more images visit United's media gallery on the United Hub.
Once on board, customers will enjoy a spacious seat with more legroom, elbow room and recline than a standard Economy Plus® or Economy seat, as well as a hearty welcome meal, mid-flight snacks and a pre-arrival dining service. In addition to beer, wine and non-alcoholic beverages, liquor will also be complimentary in United® Premium Plus. Customers will also receive an amenity kit, a Saks Fifth Avenue blanket and plush pillow, as well as noise-reducing headphones, making it easier to enjoy hundreds of hours of entertainment on larger seatback entertainment screens. Seats will also be equipped with individual power and USB outlets, dedicated overhead bins and extra storage for customers to keep devices at hand throughout their entire flight.
United®Premium Plus Aircraft and Routes
The new premium economy seats debuted on select Boeing 777-200ER and 777-300ER aircraft earlier this summer, and United took delivery of its first 787-10 aircraft earlier this month with United Polaris business class and United® Premium Plus seats installed. All aircraft with United® Premium Plus seats also feature the airline's signature United Polaris business class direct-aisle-access seats. On average, United is adding one aircraft with United Polaris business class and United® Premium Plus seating every 10 days from now through 2020.
Awards and Upgrades
In addition to purchasing a United® Premium Plus seat, MileagePlus members will have the option to book award travel in United® Premium Plus by using their MileagePlus miles. For upgrades, either a single Global Premier Upgrade or a MileagePlus Upgrade Award can be used to move up to a United® Premium Plus seat or to United's Polaris business class cabin. For more information on United's premium economy experience visit united.com/PremiumPlus.
CHICAGO, Nov. 30, 2018 /PRNewswire/ -- Today, United Airlines announced that its newest premium seating, United® Premium Plus will be on sale beginning December 3, for travel on select international flights starting March 30, 2019. The new premium economy experience will be available on 21 routes by the end of May 2019.
"United® Premium Plus gives our customers more options so they can choose the best experience that fits their wants and needs when they travel," said Andrew Nocella, United's executive vice president and chief commercial officer. "United® Premium Plus includes some of our high-end amenities from United Polaris, and is the perfect option for someone who wants an upgraded experience in the Economy cabin."
Customers traveling in United® Premium Plus will enjoy an elevated travel experience before their flight even leaves the ground, receiving complimentary standard checked bags, as well as Premier Access check-in and priority boarding. United will also offer discounted entrance at United ClubSM locations for customers traveling in United® Premium Plus.
For more images visit United's media gallery on the United Hub.
Once on board, customers will enjoy a spacious seat with more legroom, elbow room and recline than a standard Economy Plus® or Economy seat, as well as a hearty welcome meal, mid-flight snacks and a pre-arrival dining service. In addition to beer, wine and non-alcoholic beverages, liquor will also be complimentary in United® Premium Plus. Customers will also receive an amenity kit, a Saks Fifth Avenue blanket and plush pillow, as well as noise-reducing headphones, making it easier to enjoy hundreds of hours of entertainment on larger seatback entertainment screens. Seats will also be equipped with individual power and USB outlets, dedicated overhead bins and extra storage for customers to keep devices at hand throughout their entire flight.
United®Premium Plus Aircraft and Routes
The new premium economy seats debuted on select Boeing 777-200ER and 777-300ER aircraft earlier this summer, and United took delivery of its first 787-10 aircraft earlier this month with United Polaris business class and United® Premium Plus seats installed. All aircraft with United® Premium Plus seats also feature the airline's signature United Polaris business class direct-aisle-access seats. On average, United is adding one aircraft with United Polaris business class and United® Premium Plus seating every 10 days from now through 2020.
Awards and Upgrades
In addition to purchasing a United® Premium Plus seat, MileagePlus members will have the option to book award travel in United® Premium Plus by using their MileagePlus miles. For upgrades, either a single Global Premier Upgrade or a MileagePlus Upgrade Award can be used to move up to a United® Premium Plus seat or to United's Polaris business class cabin. For more information on United's premium economy experience visit united.com/PremiumPlus.
Premium Plus Fare in GDS (for sale starting 3 Dec 2018, travel after 30 March 2019)
Nov 30, 2018, 2:54 pm
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I'm assuming a P+ fare will typically cost more than a W fare. So it could be seen as an increase in "copay" to get J when using a GPU.
They could also create a new bucket specifically for J upgrades that only P+ is eligible to upgrade into and put a higher inventory in that bucket than Y to J to get people to buy more P+
Nov 30, 2018, 2:58 pm
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Ok so what I've missed on this is, these aircraft that have Premium Economy seats, do they ALSO have economy plus seats, or do those go away?
One of the primary drivers for my United loyalty is being able to select economy plus seats when I'm not able to fly/upgrade to business.
It would be a big loss for me if this change means I'm stuck in a basic economy seat without burning hundreds of dollars or an instrument.
One of the primary drivers for my United loyalty is being able to select economy plus seats when I'm not able to fly/upgrade to business.
It would be a big loss for me if this change means I'm stuck in a basic economy seat without burning hundreds of dollars or an instrument.
Nov 30, 2018, 2:59 pm
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Nov 30, 2018, 3:00 pm
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Yes, aircraft have both PE and E+. They tend to have proportionally smaller E+ cabins than before, although that trend was in the making before PE was announced.
Nov 30, 2018, 3:08 pm
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As a Chicago based flyer I find it hugely disappointing that it looks like Chicago is once again going to have the worst product until the very end! The lack of 777-300 and 787-10 service already limits our chance of getting true Polaris or Premium Plus and we had the retched three class 767-300's right until the very end (still do, the one lone soldier is still dedicated to ORD-LHR). Just as the 777-200 reconfigurations were hitting a critical mass and you had an okay chance of getting one, it looks like they are soon to be cycled out of ORD as well! I made quite a few Busines bookings this summer knowing there was a chance of getting the old product but figuring by then chances of getting a reconfigured 777 would be pretty high. Guess not, time to make some flight changes!
Nov 30, 2018, 3:10 pm
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United is going to face a challenge on long haul flights accommodating most/all elites in E+ seats once these conversions are completed. I.e., you'll be in E- if you didn't buy early. (Obviously this is route and day dependent)
Nov 30, 2018, 3:46 pm
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As a Chicago based flyer I find it hugely disappointing that it looks like Chicago is once again going to have the worst product until the very end! The lack of 777-300 and 787-10 service already limits our chance of getting true Polaris or Premium Plus and we had the retched three class 767-300's right until the very end (still do, the one lone soldier is still dedicated to ORD-LHR). Just as the 777-200 reconfigurations were hitting a critical mass and you had an okay chance of getting one, it looks like they are soon to be cycled out of ORD as well! I made quite a few Busines bookings this summer knowing there was a chance of getting the old product but figuring by then chances of getting a reconfigured 777 would be pretty high. Guess not, time to make some flight changes!
Nov 30, 2018, 4:42 pm
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So, by upgrading all waitlisted passengers seated in paid PE to Polaris before those seated in E+/E it appears UA is elevating the importance of fare over status. GS/1Ks seated in E+ will get upgraded to Polaris AFTER lower status members already seated in PE. Am I reading this correctly? I can imagine in some cases the GS/1k could even be on a more expensive ticket and still lose out if PE was sold out when they booked.
edit: on reflection, GS may not be harmed since they clear into PN, assuming they clear PN before PZ when both simultaneously go >1. 1Ks get shafted as UA will upgrade lower level premiers seated in PE before them when PZ >1.
Need a P.hD to follow the new upgrading process.
edit: on reflection, GS may not be harmed since they clear into PN, assuming they clear PN before PZ when both simultaneously go >1. 1Ks get shafted as UA will upgrade lower level premiers seated in PE before them when PZ >1.
Need a P.hD to follow the new upgrading process.
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Nov 30, 2018, 4:44 pm
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LOL, yup N660UA is flying as UA958 from ORD-LHR as we speak. Totally agree about the Y-seats. Flying up front I would obviously want the new Polaris seats but flying in the back, give me the old 767 seats any day (even if I have to suffer through the tiny, fuzzy IFE screen with the looping videos).
Nov 30, 2018, 5:08 pm
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Nov 30, 2018, 5:32 pm
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So, by upgrading all waitlisted passengers seated in paid PE to Polaris before those seated in E+/E it appears UA is elevating the importance of fare over status. GS/1Ks seated in E+ will get upgraded to Polaris AFTER lower status members already seated in PE. Am I reading this correctly? I can imagine in some cases the GS/1k could even be on a more expensive ticket and still lose out if PE was sold out when they booked.
The wording is suggestive of this, but I don't think it's immediately clear whether a non-status pax in paid PE is ahead of a 1K in Y, both w/l for J. Still, I don't think it's crazy to reward people who pay for the higher cabin.
Nov 30, 2018, 5:35 pm
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Buying R will be a nice way to cut the upgrade queue. As I previously mentioned, this will really benefit those whose employers will pay for P+.
Nov 30, 2018, 5:41 pm
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I kind of suspect LH prioritizes PE upgrades over Y too, but since they don't publish their order it's hard to tell
Nov 30, 2018, 5:45 pm
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So, by upgrading all waitlisted passengers seated in paid PE to Polaris before those seated in E+/E it appears UA is elevating the importance of fare over status. GS/1Ks seated in E+ will get upgraded to Polaris AFTER lower status members already seated in PE. Am I reading this correctly? I can imagine in some cases the GS/1k could even be on a more expensive ticket and still lose out if PE was sold out when they booked.
Yes, that's correct.
PE doesn't even have to be sold out -- it could be wide open, and a GS / 1K whose travel policy prohibits PE (but allows flexible tickets, perhaps) would still be lower on the list than a non-status passenger who purchased PE and used an instrument to upgrade.
That said, at the prices I'm seeing, I don't anticipate that "buy PE and upgrade" is going to be a popular approach for most non-status travelers anyway.
For example, for May travel, AUS-SIN with a one-week stay is currently pricing at $880 RT in L, $1187 in W, and $3279 in PE (NH E). (UA has a $2675 base fare filed but it's not eligible for sale yet so I don't know the all-in price -- call it $2800). You're looking at about 2.5x the W fare and 3-4x the cheapest fare. By comparison, there's a roundtrip Z/P fare that's pricing out at $4869 for similar dates.
Each market is going to be different, but I've spot-checked a few and I think it's much more likely you'll have no-status passengers using miles + copay to go from K to P+ than you will from P+ to J. I think the majority of travelers buying P+ will be business travelers, many of whom will have status, since it won't take many of these trips to qualify for silver, at least.
It will depend upon UA gaining PE inventory, but I have to assume that's basically a formality at this point. They may not get access on all carriers right away, but I imagine they'll have access to the JV partners at or near launch.
I love the CHI-DEC addendum to the routing table, BTW. For anybody who wants to route their SFO-HKG trip through Decatur, IL, here's how.
Nov 30, 2018, 5:54 pm
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For example, for May travel, AUS-SIN with a one-week stay is currently pricing at $880 RT in L, $1187 in W, and $3279 in PE (NH E). (UA has a $2675 base fare filed but it's not eligible for sale yet so I don't know the all-in price -- call it $2800). You're looking at about 2.5x the W fare and 3-4x the cheapest fare. By comparison, there's a roundtrip Z/P fare that's pricing out at $4869 for similar dates.
Each market is going to be different, but I've spot-checked a few and I think it's much more likely you'll have no-status passengers using miles + copay to go from K to P+ than you will from P+ to J. I think the majority of travelers buying P+ will be business travelers, many of whom will have status, since it won't take many of these trips to qualify for silver, at least.
Each market is going to be different, but I've spot-checked a few and I think it's much more likely you'll have no-status passengers using miles + copay to go from K to P+ than you will from P+ to J. I think the majority of travelers buying P+ will be business travelers, many of whom will have status, since it won't take many of these trips to qualify for silver, at least.