Toddler seating in "emergency / exit" row (middle section of a widebody)?
Jul 9, 2018, 12:01 pm
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Toddler seating in "emergency / exit" row (middle section of a widebody)?
My wife and 3yo daughter are traveling next month to AMS. The booking system allowed me to purchase seats upgrade in the emergency row. According to seatguru this row has extra leg room.
should I worry that the crew will ask my family to move because children under 15 yo are not allowed there?
should I worry that the crew will ask my family to move because children under 15 yo are not allowed there?
Jul 9, 2018, 12:36 pm
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While I don't disagree I have seen a blind eye used by the flight crew in the center sections. I have flown with my aged mother in just this row and gotten away with it. Obviously it wasn't the age issue but my mother is incapable of "aiding or assisting" anyone. I worried as well but nothing was said and have done this a few times now.
Jul 9, 2018, 12:41 pm
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By regulation, the seats in the middle section are not exit-row seats. This is defined in 14 CFR 121.585.
121.585 Exit seating.
This definition is also available to agents in SHARES via the document "GG EXIT ROW". Ask them to check there is there is any confusion.(a)
(1) Each certificate holder shall determine, to the extent necessary to perform the applicable functions of paragraph (d) of this section, the suitability of each person it permits to occupy an exit seat, in accordance with this section. For the purpose of this section -
(i) Exit seat means -
(A) Each seat having direct access to an exit; and,
(B) Each seat in a row of seats through which passengers would have to pass to gain access to an exit, from the first seat inboard of the exit to the first aisle inboard of the exit.
(ii) A passenger seat having “direct access” means a seat from which a passenger can proceed directly to the exit without entering an aisle or passing around an obstruction.(B) Each seat in a row of seats through which passengers would have to pass to gain access to an exit, from the first seat inboard of the exit to the first aisle inboard of the exit.
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Jul 9, 2018, 12:54 pm
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By regulation, the seats in the middle section are not exit-row seats. This is defined in 14 CFR 121.585.
121.585 Exit seating.
This definition is also available to agents in SHARES via the document "GG EXIT ROW". Ask them to check there is there is any confusion.(a)
(1) Each certificate holder shall determine, to the extent necessary to perform the applicable functions of paragraph (d) of this section, the suitability of each person it permits to occupy an exit seat, in accordance with this section. For the purpose of this section -
(i) Exit seat means -
(A) Each seat having direct access to an exit; and,
(B) Each seat in a row of seats through which passengers would have to pass to gain access to an exit, from the first seat inboard of the exit to the first aisle inboard of the exit.
(ii) A passenger seat having “direct access” means a seat from which a passenger can proceed directly to the exit without entering an aisle or passing around an obstruction.(B) Each seat in a row of seats through which passengers would have to pass to gain access to an exit, from the first seat inboard of the exit to the first aisle inboard of the exit.
Jul 9, 2018, 12:57 pm
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I'd choose 17/18DEF to avoid any chance of controversy... I'd hate to have to litigate interpretation of the FARs onboard with a flight attendant who may well be insistent on reseating (though it would be pretty straightforward).
Jul 9, 2018, 1:01 pm
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The seats in the middle section are separated from the exit row seats by aisles on both sides.
Jul 9, 2018, 1:01 pm
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By regulation, the seats in the middle section are not exit-row seats. This is defined in 14 CFR 121.585.
121.585 Exit seating.
This definition is also available to agents in SHARES via the document "GG EXIT ROW". Ask them to check there is there is any confusion.(a)
(1) Each certificate holder shall determine, to the extent necessary to perform the applicable functions of paragraph (d) of this section, the suitability of each person it permits to occupy an exit seat, in accordance with this section. For the purpose of this section -
(i) Exit seat means -
(A) Each seat having direct access to an exit; and,
(B) Each seat in a row of seats through which passengers would have to pass to gain access to an exit, from the first seat inboard of the exit to the first aisle inboard of the exit.
(ii) A passenger seat having “direct access” means a seat from which a passenger can proceed directly to the exit without entering an aisle or passing around an obstruction.(B) Each seat in a row of seats through which passengers would have to pass to gain access to an exit, from the first seat inboard of the exit to the first aisle inboard of the exit.
Jul 9, 2018, 1:14 pm
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By corollary, I would also not expect these center-section seats to feature more legroom (but I have not flown them).
Jul 9, 2018, 1:19 pm
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Thanks. I went back to look at the OP's post and realized that it was the middle section of a widebody. Totally understand now.
Jul 9, 2018, 1:25 pm
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Row 21 center section has a TON of leg room. I have seen children seated in this row as this center section is not right next to the exit doors. The bad part of this row is the constant traffic that crosses over from one side of the plane to the other side. After the first two times, I just started picking the AB/KL sections. Row 22 does NOT have any additional legroom in spite of being branded as an exit row. Learned that the hard way too.
Jul 9, 2018, 1:47 pm
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Row 21 center section has a TON of leg room. I have seen children seated in this row as this center section is not right next to the exit doors. The bad part of this row is the constant traffic that crosses over from one side of the plane to the other side. After the first two times, I just started picking the AB/KL sections. Row 22 does NOT have any additional legroom in spite of being branded as an exit row. Learned that the hard way too.
Now, that doesn't mean there's a good reason to restrict children - they don't have to help operate doors in case of emergency, and I'll be the crew wouldn't brief the center pax on emergency precautions.