FlightGlobal: United seeks return to New York JFK
Jun 2, 2018, 10:11 pm
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This reflects reality, with the "other reality" being that that EWR is not so easy to get to from the rest of NYC unless you are near or have easy access to PATH or Penn Station.
Jun 3, 2018, 5:44 am
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The main thing NJT needs to fix (and UA should really lobby for this change) is fixing their weekday midday schedule, along with the weekend schedule - there are huge gaps that need to be filled. That said, Uber is usually $40-45 to NYC, and that is a premium over NJT ticket I am willing to spend to get dropped off right at my doorstep.
Jun 3, 2018, 6:35 am
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Objectively, Terminal C at EWR is nicer than the vast majority of airport terminals in the U.S. I have been to. I agree that the rest of the EWR terminals have much to be desired. Hopefully the new Terminal A, once that is done (if it gets done?) will begin to upgrade overall perception of the rest of EWR.
Terminal A has some great food options (pre-seucrity) and a very nice United Club. TSA is the only drawback to flying out of A now.
Jun 3, 2018, 7:50 am
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EWR to Newark Penn, across the platform to PATH to WTC, W down the block. Step free access and predictable for me. Reverse to go back. I don’t go to Penn station unless I’m uptown. I have timetables and know how to navigate NJ transit. QED
And UBER when I want has been much more predictable to/from EWR than dealing with the Van Wyck. Last biz trip, colleague flew into JFK. I flew into EWR. Flights landed at the same time, I was at the hotel in about 45 min. His trip from JFK took over 2 in a car.
Now I took a look at WTC to EWR T-C and JFK T-4 both starting at 5 pm
Get to JFK T-4 at 18:16
so yes, EWR is a little closer, but then most people don't take PATH normally and they certainly don't take NJ buses. Whereas everyone takes subway, so there is no stresses there. And that doesn't even factor in weekends, when PATH and NJ transits come very infrequently.
Jun 3, 2018, 10:39 am
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I guarantee you most people in Manhattan take PATH less than three time a year. Which means there is additional times needed to figure out where to get PATH ticket and which platform to go to.
Now I took a look at WTC to EWR T-C and JFK T-4 both starting at 5 pm
Get to JFK T-4 at 18:16
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Worl...1528131600!3e3
Get to EWR T-c at 18:03
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Path...1528131600!3e3
so yes, EWR is a little closer, but then most people don't take PATH normally and they certainly don't take NJ buses. Whereas everyone takes subway, so there is no stresses there. And that doesn't even factor in weekends, when PATH and NJ transits come very infrequently.
Now I took a look at WTC to EWR T-C and JFK T-4 both starting at 5 pm
Get to JFK T-4 at 18:16
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Worl...1528131600!3e3
Get to EWR T-c at 18:03
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Path...1528131600!3e3
so yes, EWR is a little closer, but then most people don't take PATH normally and they certainly don't take NJ buses. Whereas everyone takes subway, so there is no stresses there. And that doesn't even factor in weekends, when PATH and NJ transits come very infrequently.
Jun 3, 2018, 10:42 am
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I’m not disagreeing with you that the average NYer may be unfamiliar with transport options to EWR but you’re the one who challenged the idea. I personally find it easier and quicker to/from EWR (actually both using public transport and in a car/UBER as well). I don’t have any perceived superiority of JFK as an airport vs EWR. I actually like public transport. And frankly I’d rather deal with PATH and NJ transit than have to sit on the E train through all of NYC.
Jun 3, 2018, 10:54 am
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It really isn't rocket science. Like just about every train station in the world, the ticket windows (and machines) are in the waiting area (look for people sitting behind glass above the waiting area). Screens show the departure times and platforms (mounted on walls in the waiting area). The entry to the platforms are labeled (look for signs above the doorways). I ride PATH/NJtransit once or twice a year. I have the app and can buy a ticket sitting on a beach on Maui.
Jun 3, 2018, 11:15 am
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I guarantee you most people in Manhattan take PATH less than three time a year. Which means there is additional times needed to figure out where to get PATH ticket and which platform to go to.
so yes, EWR is a little closer, but then most people don't take PATH normally and they certainly don't take NJ buses. Whereas everyone takes subway, so there is no stresses there. And that doesn't even factor in weekends, when PATH and NJ transits come very infrequently.
so yes, EWR is a little closer, but then most people don't take PATH normally and they certainly don't take NJ buses. Whereas everyone takes subway, so there is no stresses there. And that doesn't even factor in weekends, when PATH and NJ transits come very infrequently.
PATH is on the MetroCard.
Jun 3, 2018, 11:18 am
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I always try and take public transit to and from airports in every city I go to around the world, and find that the PATH is no more or less confusing than most rail networks out there. The Sutphin transfer to the JFK AirTrain is no more confusing... which isn't all that confusing to start off with.
Not liking the extra hop on the NJT at Newark Penn is one thing, but this idea that it's mega complicated to take the PATH and requires a ton of extra CSI detective work to figure out... like... come on. If you're a New Yorker and can't figure out a rail network that literally has 13 stops on the whole system...
Not liking the extra hop on the NJT at Newark Penn is one thing, but this idea that it's mega complicated to take the PATH and requires a ton of extra CSI detective work to figure out... like... come on. If you're a New Yorker and can't figure out a rail network that literally has 13 stops on the whole system...
Jun 3, 2018, 3:46 pm
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This discussion is going exactly as I predicted - after being presented with facts about JFK being furthest from Goldman Sachs and roughly equi-distant from JP Morgan for driving, now the anti EWR crowd want to latch onto the public transport argument.
last time I checked, LGA isn’t directly linked by rail, so even the closest options (like Q70 Express from Jackson heights) are subject to the mercy of BQE+GCP
but of course, people ONLY access LGA via private cars and uber and ONLY access JFK via rail, right ? Last time I checked, Carnarsie or Ronkonkoma aren’t the center of the universe /s
last time I checked, LGA isn’t directly linked by rail, so even the closest options (like Q70 Express from Jackson heights) are subject to the mercy of BQE+GCP
but of course, people ONLY access LGA via private cars and uber and ONLY access JFK via rail, right ? Last time I checked, Carnarsie or Ronkonkoma aren’t the center of the universe /s
Jun 3, 2018, 4:04 pm
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Leaving JFK was a stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid idea. Deciding to leave JFK entirely was always going to be a bad decision for a major US based global carrier. It doesn't matter if you were using JFK as a destination from the west coast, transiting through to other connections, or WHATEVER you might have been using it for.
Given that UA has been clear about this, it remains unclear to me what is left to debate at this point.
Given that UA has been clear about this, it remains unclear to me what is left to debate at this point.
Jun 3, 2018, 4:21 pm
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The last two times I flew into EWR I booked a RT on the Newark Airport Express bus. However, you're subject to traffic. Next time, I will try Air Train to Newark Airport Station, then NJ Transit to Newark Penn, then PATH (or maybe NJ Transit all the way).
Jun 3, 2018, 4:46 pm
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Leaving JFK was a stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid idea. Deciding to leave JFK entirely was always going to be a bad decision for a major US based global carrier. It doesn't matter if you were using JFK as a destination from the west coast, transiting through to other connections, or WHATEVER you might have been using it for.
Given that UA has been clear about this, it remains unclear to me what is left to debate at this point.
Given that UA has been clear about this, it remains unclear to me what is left to debate at this point.
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Jun 3, 2018, 4:56 pm
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OMG how many times are people going to debate whether JFK or EWR is easier to reach from various parts of Manhattan???
Particularly since that has nothing to do with the statement by Kirby which is supposedly the topic of this thread?
Particularly since that has nothing to do with the statement by Kirby which is supposedly the topic of this thread?
Jun 3, 2018, 5:37 pm
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It's virtually impossible to have a discussion about JFK and EWR without it...