ORDnHKG

This thread and thread tiltle is totally misleading, i dont know why no one had caught about 77H doesn‘t exist anymore, the config for 77H was 2-3-2 in F and 2-5-2 in Y. 77H was the combination of 6 77A and 3 77C, the current 2-4-2 in C, 3-4-3 in Y is 77G !!!!!!!!!!

Halo117

while technically correct most folks know this config as the H or HD. I would propose 77HD as that is exactly what it is with minimal/old amenities and the most dense UA 772 aircraft.

JAaronT

Seems like it was only a matter of time. They have so many of these things.

caverunner17

Agreed. It's really not end of the world. I managed 11 hours in a 3-3-3 787 and have managed the same in a 3-4-3 777. Would more space be nice? Sure. But then I remembered that I only paid $500 for a TATL flight and my mind goes back to my movie.

Joshua

I'm wondering when Basic Economy will show up on this route, particularly now that no-bags fares are available on other carriers flying North America-Irish routes.

mh3265a

This also explains the UA announcement that they'd be reducing 77H flights between GUM and NRT. Those planes would be out in the Pacific for some time but now they'll cycle back east faster to be available for the Europe flights. I guess the Europe market is rebounding a bit.

goodeats21

No, I understand the point quite clearly. Just because the 3x4x3 seating arrangement on 777 is infesting more planes and routes, it does not mean that complaints are no longer worthy.

Being squeezed into a sardine can should never be acceptable as the new normal.

halls120

This. x1000. I don't see why people defend this disgusting trend.

caverunner17

Why defend it? Because I've gone to Europe 5x for less than $500 and Asia 2x for less than $600 in the past few years.

If having a little less seat space means I can afford to travel long-haul internationally once or twice per year, then I'd gladly take this "disgusting trend".

You're more than welcome to pony up for another carrier that offers a true Y+ experience.

Bonehead

I, for one, would like to know how big the people who defend this trend are.

If the defenders average 5'7" and 140 lbs that can help the rest of us assess their comments more accurately.

halls120

That is exactly what I'm doing.

caverunner17

Let me break it down for you.

Do you like $500 airfares to Europe? Yes or no?

A high majority of the flying public views flying as a means to get from A to B. I don't plan my vacations around which aircraft or airline offers the widest seat or best food. I base it on where I want to go and who offers the combination of best price and best timing. You have to remember only a tiny percentage of the flying public actually knows the difference between a 777 and an A330. They might notice the difference between a "mini jet" (regional) and a standard or a standard and a "super jet" (widebody), but they don't know or care that they're flying on a 777 or 767 or whatever.

Any concerns of seat discomfort are likely gone within a few days of their trip and no matter what, it will beat the thin hard seats of ULCCs like Ryanair, Frontier and Spirit.

Again, I and many others like $500 TATL fares. If that $500 fare gets you a seat that you don't like, then pay more and fly another airline that offers Y+. I know I'm not willing to pay more for an inch or two extra of space, and neither is most of the flying public

Kacee

You're absolutely correct, and that's why so many carriers are going 10 across in Y. They've concluded most Y passengers won't pay more for a less miserable experience.

Personally, I am not that market.

goodeats21

Not sure I buy all of this. Lufthansa is offering ~$500 TATL fares, but using A330s/A340s. And if you were finding ~$500 TATL on United metal in the previous years, they managed to do it without 3x4x3.

I have always been told that Airfare pricing is not dependent on the cost of serving the route. I have no doubt that if the United could charge $2,000 for 3x4x3 in TATL, they would do so.

This is about United (and other Airlines) maximizing profit at the expense of customer experience and comfort. Sure, some customers may not know any better, but lets not lose touch with reality and think that United is cramming people into airplanes to keep prices low.

caverunner17

That, and most people don't remember that "miserable" experience days later.

I've flown international Y 7x in the last 5 years.

All different carriers - United, Delta, Lufthansa, Swiss, Air Canada, Iberia, Air Berlin, Cathay, ANA and Air Asia.

The only things I remember (and this is coming from an aviation enthusiast) are:

• First long haul flight with AC, I was shocked/excited we got free beer.
• CX had awesome food, even on a regional (4 hr) flight. Best Y food I've ever had and since it was a near empty flight, I had a lovely conversation with the FA about cool things to do in HKG.
• Loved the windows on UA's 787 on DEN-NRT
• A Swiss FA gave me two handfuls of delicious chocolate when I went back to the galley asking for a snack.
• I had a whole row to myself on my IB flight.
• ANA served some weird tasting tea
• UA butchered my ORD-HKG flight with a ~10 hour delay then cancelled it until the next day due to weather and poor replacement crew scheduling.

Notice a trend? Food and service make more of an impression on me than seat comfort.