UA840 SYD-LAX, what's the hurry ?
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By your logic, then:
Ontario International Airport
San Bernardino International Airport
Palm Springs International Airport
Fresno Yosemite International Airport
Sacramento International Airport
Calexico International Airport
should all have 24 hour CBP on hand just because they are international airport???
Ontario International Airport
San Bernardino International Airport
Palm Springs International Airport
Fresno Yosemite International Airport
Sacramento International Airport
Calexico International Airport
should all have 24 hour CBP on hand just because they are international airport???
Like the OP, there are too many times I am the last pax to board the flight even though it is before the final boarding time indicated on the BP, and have been told they have been getting ready to take my checked luggage off the flight. I question if I am within time stated on the BP to be told I should not concern myself with that as they want an early departure. So to meet the metrics of "on-time" departure UA leave early and then we sit at the other end waiting for CBP, a gate, etc. since we arrived early - so again great metric of early arrival but they should be measuring pax dissatisfaction of having to sit on the plane at the other end.
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But looking at the arrivals board, I see an 11:50pm arrival from MEX and an 11:59pm arrival from GDL and then nothing until a 5:25am arrival from GRU, followed by 6:30am from DEL and 7:00am from HND. So a 5h26m gap in flights, at least on this date. Almost a full shift with no flights to process -- presumably they only have a skeleton crew, but still a huge expense.
On the departures side (which presumably CBP might monitor, even if they aren't processing everyone) I see three Mexico departures and one TPE between midnight and 1:55am and then nothing till PUJ at 6:00am and then nothing till YYZ at 7:45am and CUN at 7:50am.
So you're looking at 1:56am - 7:44am, almost 6 hours, with only a single departure.
Maybe the CBP officers conduct mail and cargo operations during the off hours? Just speculating.
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I have also landed at ORD well after midnight on delayed flights and had no problem with CBP, except the line was long.
But looking at the arrivals board, I see an 11:50pm arrival from MEX and an 11:59pm arrival from GDL and then nothing until a 5:25am arrival from GRU, followed by 6:30am from DEL and 7:00am from HND. So a 5h26m gap in flights, at least on this date. Almost a full shift with no flights to process -- presumably they only have a skeleton crew, but still a huge expense.
On the departures side (which presumably CBP might monitor, even if they aren't processing everyone) I see three Mexico departures and one TPE between midnight and 1:55am and then nothing till PUJ at 6:00am and then nothing till YYZ at 7:45am and CUN at 7:50am.
So you're looking at 1:56am - 7:44am, almost 6 hours, with only a single departure.
Maybe the CBP officers conduct mail and cargo operations during the off hours? Just speculating
But looking at the arrivals board, I see an 11:50pm arrival from MEX and an 11:59pm arrival from GDL and then nothing until a 5:25am arrival from GRU, followed by 6:30am from DEL and 7:00am from HND. So a 5h26m gap in flights, at least on this date. Almost a full shift with no flights to process -- presumably they only have a skeleton crew, but still a huge expense.
On the departures side (which presumably CBP might monitor, even if they aren't processing everyone) I see three Mexico departures and one TPE between midnight and 1:55am and then nothing till PUJ at 6:00am and then nothing till YYZ at 7:45am and CUN at 7:50am.
So you're looking at 1:56am - 7:44am, almost 6 hours, with only a single departure.
Maybe the CBP officers conduct mail and cargo operations during the off hours? Just speculating
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OP again......
This question might even deserve it's own thread.
I have often read that the reason the two UAL aeroplanes from SYD & MEL arriving around 6.00am disembark at TBIT is because it is not worth it for the T7 CBP facility to be staffed for just two flights. When exactly in the day is it worth it to staff the facility if not for the simultaneous arrival of two wide bodied aeroplanes ?
This question might even deserve it's own thread.
I have often read that the reason the two UAL aeroplanes from SYD & MEL arriving around 6.00am disembark at TBIT is because it is not worth it for the T7 CBP facility to be staffed for just two flights. When exactly in the day is it worth it to staff the facility if not for the simultaneous arrival of two wide bodied aeroplanes ?
At EWR, UA rarely uses its Terminal C for INTL arrival, but it does so on certain occasions when Terminal B runs out of arrival gates.
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B sees more WB arrivals that have long ground time before their next flights, and they are towed to the “Ballpark” and other holding areas to be serviced after arrival.
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UA uses C pretty extensively, but the preference is to schedule arrivals that turn relatively quickly to domestic or other international flights, which is why you’ll see lots of 737/757 international arrivals there.
B sees more WB arrivals that have long ground time before their next flights, and they are towed to the “Ballpark” and other holding areas to be serviced after arrival.
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It's been ages since I flew UA metal international back into US at EWR. Is there a reason they don't use C anymore for arrivals? AFA I remember C had much nicer (newer) and more capable (higher passenger processing #s ) than B.
Has this changed?
Has this changed?
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It's been ages since I flew UA metal international back into US at EWR. Is there a reason they don't use C anymore for arrivals? AFA I remember C had much nicer (newer) and more capable (higher passenger processing #s ) than B.
Has this changed?
Has this changed?
I'd say Terminal B is better organized with more space than Terminal C for immigration processing, but admit it's been a while since arriving at C.
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C is still used (see post #66 ).
I'd say Terminal B is better organized with more space than Terminal C for immigration processing, but admit it's been a while since arriving at C.
I'd say Terminal B is better organized with more space than Terminal C for immigration processing, but admit it's been a while since arriving at C.
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I wouldn't shed any tears over not landing at EWR myself!
Depending how MANY years, then yeah, a LOT has changed: in 2008 or so they improved/enlarged the B arrival hall.
And CO used terminal C arrival a lot.
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OP again......
Wednesday Nov 21 landed at 5.08am
According the FlightRadar24 the past week's arrivals have been:
5:36am
5:18am
5:59am
5:32am
5:47am
5:36am
5:36am
Wednesday Nov 21 landed at 5.08am
According the FlightRadar24 the past week's arrivals have been:
5:36am
5:18am
5:59am
5:32am
5:47am
5:36am
5:36am
Last edited by Aspen; Nov 21, 2018 at 7:53 am
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Can confirm.. I was on the 5:18 one (blocked in at 5:24). Definitely time to put the seat back down and take a quick nap, although I would have appreciated being up in the TBIT lounge. Not sure why they couldn't just run the flight a bit later (on the inbound sector too).
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Can confirm.. I was on the 5:18 one (blocked in at 5:24). Definitely time to put the seat back down and take a quick nap, although I would have appreciated being up in the TBIT lounge. Not sure why they couldn't just run the flight a bit later (on the inbound sector too).
I have long been asking why not land at and use the CBP under T7 and the answer has always been it was not worth the expense of operating the facility for just two flights (SYD & MEL) but I am now convinced it is because there are no free gates at that hour at T7. This has not been too much of a concern for the past few years as I have wanted to grab a shower at Star Alliance lounge. Once the Polaris Lounge opens in T7 I will enjoy the walk outside from TBIT to T7.
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The Star Alliance lounge doesn't open until 6.00am but it takes me a little while to trek over to T4 to go through TSAPre.
I have long been asking why not land at and use the CBP under T7 and the answer has always been it was not worth the expense of operating the facility for just two flights (SYD & MEL) but I am now convinced it is because there are no free gates at that hour at T7. This has not been too much of a concern for the past few years as I have wanted to grab a shower at Star Alliance lounge. Once the Polaris Lounge opens in T7 I will enjoy the walk outside from TBIT to T7.
I have long been asking why not land at and use the CBP under T7 and the answer has always been it was not worth the expense of operating the facility for just two flights (SYD & MEL) but I am now convinced it is because there are no free gates at that hour at T7. This has not been too much of a concern for the past few years as I have wanted to grab a shower at Star Alliance lounge. Once the Polaris Lounge opens in T7 I will enjoy the walk outside from TBIT to T7.
Thanks for posting.