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Owenc Jul 17, 2015 11:51 pm


Originally Posted by tom911 (Post 25127503)
Be careful with AA as they use them to Dublin and Madrid from JFK. It's not unique to UA.

It's only a 5 hour flight to Dublin.

ORDnHKG Jul 17, 2015 11:58 pm


Originally Posted by G702TT (Post 25126279)

According to my quick look-up on Wikepedia, the 767-300ER first entered service on AA in 1988 and it had some design improvements in 1993.

Even with planned interior renovations, I wonder what the lifespan of this particular plane will end up being. 30 years? 40 years?

However, the Boeing signature interior overhead bins didn't get install not til after 2000.

Just because a planned interior renovation, doesn't mean the lifespan of a plane would extend of another 10 or 20 years, you should know there are a few 744 retired only for a few years after IPTE completed.

A plane's life is not determined by how old or how new the interior is, it is about the hours in the air and cycles (take off and landing consider as 1 cycle, so if the hours are low but cycles are high, the plane still need to retire when it reach the number of cycles, as you don't what the repeat of AQ243 where cracks on the fuselage were not noticed due to metal fatigue because of high cycles back and fourth between the islands multiple times a day !)




Originally Posted by jamesinclair (Post 25128670)

I also don't think anyone on this plane will leave work a good impression of United.

"No entertainment on a six hour flight? I hear JetBlue has free direct tv! "

Well AA's 763 don't even have PTV, how's that ?

No AVOD or no PTV may not leave a good impression of the airline, but would people stop flying AA and UA all together ? Absolutely not ! People care more about the price more than anything, or did you not read OP's first post ? (OP had stated choose UA because of the price !)

James91 Jul 18, 2015 8:42 am


Originally Posted by Owenc (Post 25135027)
It's only a 5 hour flight to Dublin.

I fly the route 6 times a year, it's never taken me 5 hours :).

Kacee Jul 18, 2015 9:28 am


Originally Posted by Owenc (Post 25135027)
It's only a 5 hour flight to Dublin.

Not likely. 3175 miles. Flying that in five hours would require flying at 635 mph. Cruise speed of the sCO 752 is 540 mph.

Note that DL currently flies a 752 from JFK-PIS, which is 4131 miles.

ContinentalFan Jul 18, 2015 9:35 am


Originally Posted by Kacee (Post 25136197)
Not likely. 3175 miles. Flying that in five hours would require flying at 635 mph. Cruise speed of the sCO 752 is 540 mph.

Note that DL currently flies a 752 from JFK-PIS, which is 4131 miles.

I guess EWR/DUB depends on what's going on with the jet stream.

http://uk.flightaware.com/live/fligh...215Z/KEWR/EIDW

On July 14th, the flight lasted 5 hours and 2 minutes.

Kacee Jul 18, 2015 9:43 am


Originally Posted by ContinentalFan (Post 25136216)
On July 14th, the flight lasted 5 hours and 2 minutes.

And yesterday the return (UA22) took 6:32 :)

Owenc Jul 18, 2015 10:04 am


Originally Posted by Kacee (Post 25136197)
Not likely. 3175 miles. Flying that in five hours would require flying at 635 mph. Cruise speed of the sCO 752 is 540 mph.

Note that DL currently flies a 752 from JFK-PIS, which is 4131 miles.

Yes it is.
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flig...300Z/KEWR/EIDW

This is shorter than a transcontinental flight with blankets, meals, pillows and personal televisions.

It's enough.

Owenc Jul 18, 2015 10:06 am


Originally Posted by Kacee (Post 25136246)
And yesterday the return (UA22) took 6:32 :)

Yes and? That's pretty fast, intact it's only 20 mins longer than BOS to SFO http://uk.flightaware.com/live/fligh...055Z/KBOS/KSFO

I took this flight last year and it was around 6 hours 30 then too. It was comfy for me and just about at the range that I would've rather have had a wide body. United also flies a narrow body to Chicago and Washington from Dublin.

I don't see the issue. (although I think a narrow body the whole way to Chicago is a bit ridiculous)

poisson Jul 19, 2015 2:02 pm

My return flight to IAD was a 757-200. Each seat had individual screens with on demand programming. This flight was much better, I just don't care for the 3 seats on each side arrangement. My favorite layout is three in the middle and two on each side.

char777 Jul 19, 2015 4:51 pm


Originally Posted by poisson (Post 25141000)
My return flight to IAD was a 757-200. Each seat had individual screens with on demand programming. This flight was much better, I just don't care for the 3 seats on each side arrangement. My favorite layout is three in the middle and two on each side.

Mine as well. That's the 767 layout. All airlines have 3-3 seating on the 757 and 2-3-2 on the 767.

ExtonUS Jul 19, 2015 4:56 pm


Originally Posted by idayvuelta (Post 25131356)
To be clear, one may (as I did for many years) choose to fly United for its frequent flyer program, its routes or its prices. But in terms of in flight experience, I think United comes up short against a great many in coach and business (in which frankly I think you have include United Global First). Of what I've flown lately:

-Virgin America, Jet Blue, Delta (int'l domestic) I think are all better experiences by a measurable amount than United. American needs to finish its merger and still has some old old old J flying around, but I think will end in a better place.

-Lufthansa - old J is a joke but otherwise it's a quality airline. Y is a little tight.

-British Airways - Perhaps not what it used to be but much more professional flight attendants, much much better J catering and seats, better lounges, Y and Y+ a little better. Austrian and Swiss are miles better.

-Turkish has wonderful food and good seats plus a great lounge in Istanbul.

-Pretty much all of the major asian carriers. SQ, JAL, ANA, Garuda, Cathay. Even aspects of Air China compared favorably (though it uses the Continental seat). In some cases (SQ and jokes aside, Malaysia) the service is wildly better in Y, J and F. I will never forget being in Y on a lightly-booked flight on Malaysia and being addressed by my last name the entire flight by the flight attendant. EVA distributes pijamas and serves Krug in business.

-For what they purport to be, I also have had good experiences in Y on the LCCs (AirAsia, Tiger, Jetstar). Professional crews, reasonable fares, reasonable costs for add-ons like extra seating.

-The Mideast carriers are controversial but by all means do a better job in flight in all classes (on the ground/customer service is another story).

-South African Airways has a very reasonable J product with good wines and decent seats.

And here is where people can agree to disagree. Out of that list I have flown AA, DL, TK, LH, Emirates and ANA in J or F plus others I have surely forgotten. I have had some good and some bad experiences on all of them and can't say I would hands down take any of them over a UA 787. My answer would be it depends (asides from I will fly through Istanbul any day for my favorite lounge!!!)

Even a couple weeks ago I flew a new LH F suite and the service was good, layout was nice, but for the life of me I couldn't get comfortable in the seat. Left with my back aching. Still would take it over a UA 787 in J, but it isn't a hands down winner.

I think people in this forum tend to fixate on one thing be it aisle access or bowing FAs or whatever and thinking that is the be all end all for all people. I have had lots of good experiences on UA as well as the other airlines and will keep being 90/10 UA/others. No one else meets my overall needs as well.

respectable_man Jul 19, 2015 5:07 pm


Originally Posted by ExtonUS (Post 25141601)
I think people in this forum tend to fixate on one thing be it aisle access or bowing FAs or whatever and thinking that is the be all end all for all people. I have had lots of good experiences on UA as well as the other airlines and will keep being 90/10 UA/others. No one else meets my overall needs as well.

I second this. Personally NOT impressed by the AF int'l product (J and Y). It's a competitive market: the proposition that one airline has got it all wrong is no more sustainable than the airline itself.

tyroner Jul 19, 2015 7:34 pm

Call me crazy but I really like the 757-200 when I fly to Dublin. It is cozy and the AVOD is good. The seats are fine and the bins are a decent size. In comparison to the 767 I occasionally get to LHR with looped video on a tiny screen and the overhead bins that are the stuff of stand up comedians, I say the 757-200 is perfectly adequate for TATL. Besides, it allows UA to offer more frequent service to DUB.

I remember a few years back, maybe 2011/2 I was flying DL to Dublin a lot and they had an ancient relic on the route. I think it was a 767 (please correct me if people remember). They bought it from some outfit in Florida perhaps and it was domestically configured and was missing mid cabin toilets. Again my memory isn't good, all I recall is that going back to the UA 757-200 was a dream in comparison.

sbm12 Jul 19, 2015 7:38 pm


Originally Posted by tyroner (Post 25142099)
Call me crazy but I really like the 757-200 when I fly to Dublin.

You're not crazy.

Some love it. Some don't mind it. Some hate it.

Kensterfly Jul 19, 2015 7:54 pm


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 25142111)
You're not crazy.

Some love it. Some don't mind it. Some hate it.

I just feel the need to get up and stretch my legs on a TATL and a single aisle aircraft makes that a bit difficult. I suppose it makes little difference when you're in your seat.
I also like an aisle seat and a single aisle aircraft naturally limits availability.


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