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FlyWorld Sep 13, 2012 5:10 pm


Originally Posted by nova08 (Post 19310643)
Well I have one experienced 5 minutes ago. 5 days ago I waitlisted an RPU for a LAX-EWR flt. There is something still messed up that I face issues waitlisting RPU/GPUs. My PNR displayed the waitlisted segment but at T-24 it disappears. I call in to verify that I am waitlisted based on the RPU and not simply by a 1K CPU.

She says I'm #3 on the waitlist and that I am prioritized based on the RPU but that she can confirm me immediately. I assume then it was at least R1. I am now confirmed in F.

What happened with the #1 and #2 people on the waitlist?? I assume they waitlisted using miles/instrument and if R>1 we should have been automatically cleared accordingly. Instead no one cleared and it went to the first person to call in and inquire.

From my perspective, this is a perfect illustration of the problem.

I guess there are just two of us (me and you) who have experienced this. The other 90 million flyers are thankfully having no problems.

mediator Sep 13, 2012 5:33 pm

I am trying to SDC to a later flight (original 11am, try to change to 5pm one). Seems all the G-spaces are drying up! But the lowest the fare I could force UA to search is in K. Does this have anything to do with the "expert mode" changes?

kb1992 Sep 13, 2012 6:08 pm


Originally Posted by mczlaw (Post 19310670)
Disingenuous garbage (concern over customer "confusion") and double-talk ("we believe in transparency" as transparency is eliminated) from the designated social media pr flak.

These corp HQ folks must really believe the consumer, incl. those on FT, is dumber than a box of rocks.

Exactly.

This COdbaUA regime is beyond repair.

WineCountryUA Sep 13, 2012 6:15 pm


Originally Posted by mediator (Post 19310817)
I am trying to SDC to a later flight (original 11am, try to change to 5pm one). Seems all the G-spaces are drying up! But the lowest the fare I could force UA to search is in K. Does this have anything to do with the "expert mode" changes?

probably not -- just that UA is sold out or no longer offering a G fare for those flights. G is a deeply discounted economy fares that is regularly not offered for many flights.

halls120 Sep 13, 2012 6:16 pm


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 19309952)
Everyone should still be able to see their waitlist status using the PDA site - which is what CO designed it for. The downside is you won't see the list until a few days before departure, and you can't see R inventory (except by using the workarounds posted waaaay upthread), but the information is still out there so we're not completely in the dark until boarding.

Not always. I had an IAD-MEX flight this past Monday. Because I had a new passport, I couldn't check in at home, therefore, I couldn't see my waitlist status on the PDA site. When I called the 1K desk to see if they could check me in with my new passport information, even they couldn't do it - Mr. Chicken was, as usual, in charge.

lensman Sep 13, 2012 8:01 pm


Originally Posted by craz (Post 19308707)
actually they do gain alot , 1- as it was you had to get lucky if a rep told you by how many a flight was oversold by, CO hopes by hiding how many tkts they are willing to sell for any given fare class that they will be keeping that info not only from its competitors but will also not allow us to book aflight that may yield a better chance of getting a VDB

The revenue bucket info was no greater than what you'd get through a GDS. They only publish numbers up to 7 (or was it 9?). The actual total inventory available in each bucket is only available internally. I imagine the reservation agents have it but they are definitely not supposed to give out the actual numbers.

intub8r Sep 13, 2012 8:28 pm


Originally Posted by mczlaw (Post 19310670)
my November flight will be my last paid UA flight. Cancelling the Chase CC at around the same time.

Way to go Jeff Smisek and United. Keep those likeable changes coming.

--mcz

Same situation here. Tickets for November (booked Dec 30, 2011) will be the last $ I give the current UA. Of course, I have a GPU waitlisted on the flights. Nice. Not holding my breath.

And the chase Club card will be cancelled mid December. I have the date to call marked on my calendar - jus prior to the posting of the annual fee.

tale Sep 13, 2012 8:42 pm

What's next
 
Will they now disable check upgrade availability as well as search by fare type?

TXbizman Sep 13, 2012 8:50 pm


Originally Posted by nova08 (Post 19310643)
Well I have one experienced 5 minutes ago. 5 days ago I waitlisted an RPU for a LAX-EWR flt. There is something still messed up that I face issues waitlisting RPU/GPUs. My PNR displayed the waitlisted segment but at T-24 it disappears. I call in to verify that I am waitlisted based on the RPU and not simply by a 1K CPU.

She says I'm #3 on the waitlist and that I am prioritized based on the RPU but that she can confirm me immediately. I assume then it was at least R1. I am now confirmed in F.

What happened with the #1 and #2 people on the waitlist?? I assume they waitlisted using miles/instrument and if R>1 we should have been automatically cleared accordingly. Instead no one cleared and it went to the first person to call in and inquire.

I too have an experience a few minutes ago - I was blind on my flight tomorrow (no R/RN availabity access) till I used the old fashinon way to find availability (what a pain in the @$$). So I am #7 on waitlist - not good. 5 family with instrument upgrade. Then R class opens up. I try to change online but only offer $$$ and would not take SWU/Regional upgrade - damn $mi$ek/J. So I call 1K line and it was done using my SWU - I have tons of SWU that is expiring in a month - might as well use it for I have no use for them...

Does it have to be this hard?!?. God...

UA - if you are reading this - fix this!

ijgordon Sep 13, 2012 9:01 pm


Originally Posted by masa9 (Post 19308821)
I've poked around FT in the past but this is my first time posting. Infact, this thread alone was reason enough for me to register and put in my 2 cents.

I checked the seat inventory within a Fare Class every single time I've booked a ticket through the website. If I see that only a few seats are available within a fare class throughout the day, I'll book the next fare up just incase I'll have to hop on a earlier or later flight once it's time to check-in. Not having the option to take a different flight (within the 24 hour rules) because I booked a lesser fare class puts me at a disadvantage because it affects my schedule and my business. For me, it's not about getting an upgrade, it's about knowing there are seats on other flights in my same fare class and being able to change my flight without paying the price of a new ticket + change fee.


Originally Posted by WineCountryUA (Post 19309319)
wanting to do SDC closer to the 24 window versus sweating it out to a few hours before original / changed flight?


Originally Posted by Bonehead (Post 19309275)
Basically correct. Many flights open up all fare buckets at some point relatively close to flight time in order to accommodate SDCs (same-day changes), depending upon the real (and possibly historic) demand for a given flight. Unless I misunderstood the poster, I'm not sure that anything is gained by booking a higher fare class for a given flight, with the possible exception of a booking done close to the flight date.

I don't think anything else is gained either. Assuming masa9 is booking more than a few days (and probably more than a few weeks) in advance of the flight, the fare class inventory at the time of booking is highly unlikely to have any bearing on what the fare class inventory will be at the time s/he wants to do SDC. And the chances that buying up to that next fare class will mean the difference between being able to do SDC and not being able to do SDC are incredibly small.

But if masa9 wants that (faux) peace of mind, s/he can get an ExpertFlyer subscription, which will show all the revenue inventory buckets, as well as the fare listings so you'll know what the "next higher" available fare is. And as a bonus, you can set alerts to notify you when a particular inventory class becomes available, AND when a particular inventory class falls below a specified threshhold. Potentially very useful info.

I've been keeping up with this thread pretty well, and I really haven't seen many, if any, legitimate situations where UA's change prevents them from doing XYZ. Lots of (absurd) complaints from people who claim they're now going to have to spend hours on the phone with a reservation agent to find a flight that they can confirm a GPU/RPU on. Newsflash (for the fourteenth time!), you can still see if flights have "R" availability or not during the search process! It's maybe 2 extra clicks. Big effing whoop.

And if you need to see revenue inventory, because it's that important to you, suck it up and pay for ExpertFlyer or KVS, or I think there may even be a free site. EF is much better than UA was for revenue buckets anyway, because you can see multiple days on one screen, and you can filter results for a particular class.

ijgordon Sep 13, 2012 9:07 pm


Originally Posted by MillionMilerMan (Post 19308423)
Been on vacation for the past 10 days and successfully ignored FT. When I returned yesterday I was, needless to say, surprised I couldn't see the "fare buckets" on my two reservations in "B" and "Y" to KWI and NRT over the next two months. It's rare that I book in Economy (Plus) without the ability to guarantee the GPU (assuming I haven't used them all) or mileage upgrade, but for these two reservations I was forced to.

Going forward, though, does UA seriously think 1Ks are going to have any interest in maintaining that status if the one "real" benefit (the 6 GPUs) is no longer transparent and thus generally "easy to use"? Instead of spending a few minutes (or even hours) online researching my options for ticket purchase and upgrade availability, then actually purchasing my ticket and being done with it, they really want me spending hours of their agents' time on the phone, risking that the (often uninformed) agent can't or won't help me find GPU-available flights, and then having me hang up the phone--not purchasing a ticket throughout the entire process?

Seriously? For the past 7 months I've been one of those UA die-hards that has put up with UA's pitiful integration into UAdbaCO and hoped for better things to come. I didn't status match with AA, and I've continued to fly my 1K+ miles annually and gladly use my 6 SWU/GPUs. But if I can no longer do that with some modicum of ease, forget it. As a 2MM flyer with "lifetime Platinum" (until they take it away), UA has literally taken away my sole practical reason for flying their airline 100,000+ miles per year. If this isn't changed back in fairly short order, I'll finally liquidate my 800,000 miles and take my "Y", "B" and "M" international fares to a different airline.

Did they seriously do this? Has anyone in the Willis Tower ever attended "Problem Solving 101"? Rather than fix the "R" inventory issues with IT, they just kill the functionality?


Originally Posted by 1k650 (Post 19308482)
Well said +1

-1 Not particularly. Poorly researched as well.

UA-NYC Sep 13, 2012 9:17 pm


Originally Posted by ijgordon (Post 19311803)
I've been keeping up with this thread pretty well, and I really haven't seen many, if any, legitimate situations where UA's change prevents them from doing XYZ. Lots of (absurd) complaints from people who claim they're now going to have to spend hours on the phone with a reservation agent to find a flight that they can confirm a GPU/RPU on. Newsflash (for the fourteenth time!), you can still see if flights have "R" availability or not during the search process! It's maybe 2 extra clicks. Big effing whoop.

How about, "I now have to manually check R space multiple times per day as I no longer get UA upgrade/award alerts from EF, especially since UA's flaky systems are known for not processing waitlists automatically, and checking for upgrade space generally now is now much more tedious on KVS." Is that "legitimate" enough?

:rolleyes:

ny1k Sep 13, 2012 9:22 pm

I have looked at these boards many times. This one prompted me to write... the bottom line United continues to disregard it's customers, in particular those who are the most loyal. Clearly, this issues and most others are the outcome of the disconnect between Senior Management and the customers.
Most front line people, both in the States and around the world, continually say the same thing " please write to management as they do not listen to us"! The only group that I have not heard continually say this is Reservations... in my experience this is one of the areas, after Senior Management, that needs to significantly improve. It is really a shame for an airline to be providing such a poor customer service experience!

WineCountryUA Sep 13, 2012 9:31 pm


Originally Posted by ijgordon (Post 19311803)
.... I've been keeping up with this thread pretty well, and I really haven't seen many, if any, legitimate situations where UA's change prevents them from doing XYZ. Lots of (absurd) complaints from people who claim they're now going to have to spend hours on the phone with a reservation agent to find a flight that they can confirm a GPU/RPU on. Newsflash (for the fourteenth time!), you can still see if flights have "R" availability or not during the search process! It's maybe 2 extra clicks. Big effing whoop. ....

while technically correct (I have posted the alternative method a couple of times myself). The workaround just provides an yes/no answer and the lack of a numeric value of award seats / upgrades is a significant reduction of information - which might be used to determine urgency (acknowledging inventory can be withdrawn at any time).

However, this thread is much more than about this feature deletion. The frustration and irritation of many of the responses shows a very hostile UA-customer relationship. And by the number on non-regular posters -- runs fairly deep in the FT community (include a significant number of new posters) -- not just the regular posters. There have been a series of mis-steps, customer unfriendly actions by UA and this feature deletion has torched the simmer discontentment of the community. This should be a big red flag for UA. Earlier I posted about the communication failures of this announcement.

So is some of this is a bit irrational, yes -- but there is a reason / history that has lead to this.

UA-NYC Sep 13, 2012 9:37 pm


Originally Posted by WineCountryUA (Post 19311937)
So is some of this is a bit irrational, yes -- but there is a reason / history that has lead to this.

The ONLY irrational thing is any defense of COdbaUA in this issue


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