How will Pinnacle's (Parent of UAX Operator Colgan Air) bankruptcy impact UA?
In a press release today, Pinnacle, parent of Colgan, indicated:
The remaining Saab 340 fleet that Colgan operates for United Express will be wound down over the next several months, with these operations projected to end by Aug. 1, 2012. Similarly, Colgan's Q400 aircraft operations will be wound down by Nov. 30, 2012. |
Doubt anyone will miss the Saab 340s or Q400s -- although it could impact the level of service at some out stations.
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Let me be the first to say hallelujah. Colgan was straight up not a safe operation, and the q400 creep into RJ markets by CO was unacceptable. Maybe now we can go back to the CR7s and ERJs we should have had all along
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Aren't the Q400s their most fuel-efficient aircraft?
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I'm pretty sure I flew Colgan BUF-EWR or BUF-IAD (possibly both) in the past couple years.
Certainly the most recent crash in memory was the EWR-BUF Colgan 3407. I don't really care for the turboprops so if they'd go ahead and use regional jets for those flights from now on that would suit me fine. |
Well this is going to create lots of problems in Texas and smaller cities close to IAH. I say the majority of the smaller city flights out of IAH are Q400 and Sabb 340. I want to know what UA plans to do especially in the Sabb markets???
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United Express Q400 and SAAB340 routes operated by Colgan/Pinnacle.
Indicates Cities Where Colgan Operates ONLY UA Flights, But Other Carriers Are Present Indicates Cities Where Colgan is Sole Operator * Indicates Essential Air Service (EAS) Flights Note: For the purposes of "Circle Route" Flights (AAA-BBB-CCC-AAA or AAA-CCC-BBB-AAA), the BBB-CCC/CCC-BBB flight is not counted as a flight to a different destination. From IAD: Allentown (ABE) - Other Service to ORD/Bus to EWR - Numerous Other Carriers Altoona* (AOO) - No Other Flights - Only Carrier Albany (ALB) - Other Service to CLE/ORD/IAD/EWR - Numerous other Carriers Beckley, WV* (BKW) No Other Flights - Only Carrier Binghamton, NY (BHM) No Other Service - DL to DTW, US to PHL Buffalo (BUF) Other Service to CLE/EWR/IAD/ORD - Numerous Other Carriers Burlington, VT (BTV) Other Service to ORD/CLE/EWR - DL, B6 and US Charlottesville (CHO) No Other Service - AA to ORD, DL to ATL, US to CLT/PHL Clarksburg* (CKB) No Other Service - Only Carrier Cleveland (CLE) - UA Hub - Numerous Other Carriers Johnstown* (JST) No Other Service - Only Carrier Morgantown* (MGW) No Other Service - Only Carrier Newark (EWR) - UA Hub - Numerous Other Carriers Norfolk (ORF) - Other Service to ORD/CLE/IAD/IAH - Numerous Other Carriers Pittsburgh (PIT) - Other Service to ORD/DEN/IAH/LAX/SFO/CLE/IAD - Numerous Other Carriers Providence (PVD) - Other Service to CLE/EWR/ORD - Numerous Other Carriers State College (SCE) - No Other Service - DL to DTW, US to PHL Syracuse (SYR) - Other Service to ORD/IAD/EWR - Numerous Other Carriers White Plains (HPN) - Other Service to ORD - Numerous Other Carriers Charleston, WV (CRW) - Other Service to IAD/IAH/ORD - AA to LGA, DL to ATL/DTW, US to CLT, DCA From IAH: Alexandria (AEX) - Other Service to IAH - AA to DFW, DL to ATL Austin (AUS) - Other Service to IAH/DEN/ORD/EWR/IAD/CUN/SFO/LAX - Numerous Other Carriers Baton Rouge (BTR) - Other Service to IAH - AA to DFW, DL to MEM/ATL, US to CLT Beaumont (BPT) - No Other Service - No Other Carriers College Station (CLL) - No Other Service - AA to DFW Dallas (DAL) - Other Service to IAH/DEN - DL to MEM, WN "Hub" Dallas (DFW) - Other Service to ORD/DEN/IAH/SFO/LAX/EWR/CLE - Numerous Other Carriers Del Rio (DRT) - No Other Service - No Other Carriers Jackson (JAN) - Other Service to IAH - AA to DFW, DL to ATL/MEM, WN to BWI, MDW, HOU, MCO, US to CLT, DCA Killeen/Ft Hood (GRK) - No Other Service - AA to DFW, DL to ATL Lafayette (LFT) - Other Service to IAH - AA to DFW, DL to ATL Lake Charles (LCH) - Other Service to IAH - AA to DFW Little Rock (LIT) - Other Service to IAH/ORD - Numerous Other Carriers McAllen (MFE) - Other Service to IAH, AA to DFW, G4 to LAS/SFB Midland (MAF) - Other Service to IAH/DEN - AA to DFW, WN to DAL, HOU, LAS Monroe (MLU) - Other Service to IAH - AA to DFW, DL to ATL New Orleans (MSY) - Other Service to ORD/DEN/IAH/LAX/EWR/SFO/IAD/CLE - Numerous Other Carriers Oklahoma City (OKC) - Other Service to DEN/IAH/ORD/EWR/LAX/SFO/IAD - Numerous Other Carriers San Antionio (SAT) - Other Service to DEN/IAH/EWR/IAD/CUN/ORD/SFO/LAX - Numerous Other Carriers Shreveport (SHV) - Other Service to IAH - DL to MEM/ATL, AA to DFW, G4 to LAS/SFB Tulsa (TUL) - Other Service to DEN/IAH/ORD/EWR/IAD/LAX - Numerous Other Carriers Tyler (TYR) - No Other Service - AA to DFW Victoria* (VCT) - No Other Service - No Other Carriers Waco (ACT) - No Other Service - AA to DFW From EWR Albany (ALB) - Other Service to CLE/ORD/IAD/EWR - Numerous Other Carriers Boston (BOS) - Other Service to CLE/ORD/DEN/IAH/IAD/LAX/SFO/EWR - Numerous Other Carriers Baltimore (BWI) - Other Service to ORD/DEN/IAH/LAX/SFO/CLE - Numerous Other Carriers Buffalo (BUF) - Other Service to CLE/EWR/IAD/ORD - Numerous Other Carriers Burlington, VT (BTV) - Other Service to ORD/CLE/EWR - DL, B6 and US Columbus, OH (CMH) - Other Service to ORD/DEN/IAH/EWR/IAD - Numerous Other Carriers Halifax (YHZ) - Other Service to EWR/ORD/IAD - Numerous Other Carriers Moncton (YQM) - Other Service to EWR - Some Other Carriers - UA is sole USA bound Flight Montreal (YUL) - Other Service to CLE/EWR/IAD/IAH/ORD - Numerous Other Carriers Norfolk (ORF) - Other Service to ORD/CLE/IAD/CLE/IAH - Numerous Other Carriers Pittsburgh (PIT) - Other Service to ORD/DEN/IAH/LAX/SFO/CLE/IAD - Numerous Other Carriers Portland, ME (PWM) - Other Service to ORD/IAD/EWR - Numerous Other Carriers Raleigh (RDU) - Other Service to ORD/IAH/EWR/IAD/CUN/CLE - Numerous Other Carriers Rochester (ROC) - Other Service to ORD/IAD/EWR - Numerous Other Carriers Toronto (YYZ) - Other Service to ORD/DEN/SFO/CLE/EWR/IAH/IAD - Numerous Other Carriers Washington (IAD) - UA Hub - Numerous Other Carriers Washington (DCA) - Other Service to ORD/DEN/IAH/SFO/CLE/EWR) - Numerous Other Carriers Myrtle Beach - Other Seasonal Service to ORD - Numerous Other Carriers |
Originally Posted by kwildnj
(Post 18317400)
United Express Q400 and SAAB340 routes operated by Colgan/Pinnacle.
From IAD: Charlottesburg* |
We are talking about a total of 58 aircraft, serving dozens of cities in the Northeast, as well as Texas and the Gulf Coast of the United States. In many instances, Colgan dba United Express is either the sole carrier, or one two carriers serving an airport.
As as mentioned previously, this.could have a massive impact on operations in the affected cities. For many of these routes, the use of either of these two aircraft could have been the difference in profitability versus a reduction or elimination of service altogether, which is unfortunate. I do not see what the negativity towards prop planes is. Fact is the Q400 holds more passengers, has better overhead bin space (and overhead clearance), are being retrofitted with first class, and, for thr most part, are newer than many regional jets, oh, and are cheaper to operate. I would hope that a carrier such as CommutAir or CapeAir who already have a relationship with United, or even Piedmont, which could be a stretch, as they are wholelly owned by US Airways, is able to obtain some financing to purchase the assets being divested here, and pick up the existing workload. I am sure that the other existing United Express Carriers will be unable to fill the void that this will create.
Originally Posted by ralfp
(Post 18317421)
Don't you mean Charlottesville (CHO)?
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Originally Posted by CO777DAL
Well this is going to create lots of problems in Texas and smaller cities close to IAH. I say the majority of the smaller city flights out of IAH are Q400 and Sabb 340. I want to know what UA plans to do especially in the Sabb markets???
UA will probably find another operator for the Q400 between now and late-November. |
Should I be worried? I just booked a flight out of CLL and I leave in 2 weeks.
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Originally Posted by alphatarget1
(Post 18317438)
Should I be worried? I just booked a flight out of CLL and I leave in 2 weeks.
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Originally Posted by alphatarget1
(Post 18317438)
Should I be worried? I just booked a flight out of CLL and I leave in 2 weeks.
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Originally Posted by kwildnj
(Post 18317423)
As as mentioned previously, this.could have a massive impact on operations in the affected cities. For many of these routes, the use of either of these two aircraft could have been the difference in profitability versus a reduction or elimination of service altogether, which is unfortunate.
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Originally Posted by Passmethesickbag
(Post 18317526)
True. But at least it could hopefully get those cheapskates to stop offering crop duster service to destinations such as MSY, DFW, BOS, DCA, BWI, YYZ, YUL - and even hub-to-hub flights such as IAD-EWR.
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