Why are international OWs so expensive, such high fare classes?
Sep 19, 2017, 12:51 pm
#151
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I think the legacy airlines will likely respond to Norwegian/WOW etc - I guess UA will wait to see what AA and DL does. Reasonable Intercontinental OW on UA does exist but not TATL as far as I'm aware. APD slightly complicates things in the UK + other, but if they don't respond they will loose market share.
Sep 19, 2017, 1:53 pm
#152
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I've been looking Business Class airfare for ORD-HKG/PVG-RIC in November. The multi-city search typically would show Z outbound and P return, cheaper than D outbound and P return if I searched one-way.
However, the last few days when I searched the same routes, I am getting higher prices for multi-city ORD-HKG (D) and PVG-RIC (P) than one-way at same fare basis. The ORD-HKG portion priced at $5064 for multi-city vs $4182 for one-way. Even the return P fare is $2439 fro milt-city vs $2257 for one-way.
This is just weird.
However, the last few days when I searched the same routes, I am getting higher prices for multi-city ORD-HKG (D) and PVG-RIC (P) than one-way at same fare basis. The ORD-HKG portion priced at $5064 for multi-city vs $4182 for one-way. Even the return P fare is $2439 fro milt-city vs $2257 for one-way.
This is just weird.
I don't have a quick answer for ORD-HKG though.
Sep 20, 2017, 8:46 am
#153
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The ORD-HKG is probably just a display bug on .bomb. The way the website "prorates" fares over the roundtrip and multicity fare components is often wonky.
Nov 9, 2017, 7:33 am
#154
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thanks to this wealth of knowledge. need the tip or trick for upcoming res.
We are flying EWR - LHR 12/25 ... great flight over (time, price, etc.). Getting back is a little more difficult. Willing to fly home either 1/1 or 1/2 (kids want 1/2!), but prices are more challenging.
I can take Norwegian from JFK, but would rather fly UA in and out of EWR. Willing to fly back into JFK for the right price (ie. Norwegian) , but can't figure out how to book OW on UA without the price jumping up.
Any tricks how to book OW to LHR without the price jump?
We are flying EWR - LHR 12/25 ... great flight over (time, price, etc.). Getting back is a little more difficult. Willing to fly home either 1/1 or 1/2 (kids want 1/2!), but prices are more challenging.
I can take Norwegian from JFK, but would rather fly UA in and out of EWR. Willing to fly back into JFK for the right price (ie. Norwegian) , but can't figure out how to book OW on UA without the price jumping up.
Any tricks how to book OW to LHR without the price jump?
Nov 9, 2017, 7:56 am
#155
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No, not really if you want to fly US legacy on longhaul.
While domestic being booked as roundtrip for low price has gone away, it is very much still the case for over ocean flying. UA, AA, etc will often be cheaper round trip than one way.
While domestic being booked as roundtrip for low price has gone away, it is very much still the case for over ocean flying. UA, AA, etc will often be cheaper round trip than one way.
Nov 9, 2017, 10:05 am
#156
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thanks.
Nov 9, 2017, 10:53 am
#157
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Might be technically against the fare rules but not likely to be a problem.
Nov 9, 2017, 11:52 am
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The o/w fares to LHR in Y have always been pretty pricey. When I would do it a few times to use GPUs the W fade would be like $1300-1700 whereas I could book a o/w W SFO-HKG vv for $525 or MEL-LAX for $750.
Feb 12, 2018, 9:54 pm
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Houston to London
We need to fly from IAH to LHR in late December. Matrix is showing $7,054. PP. That is an insane amount, but I'm wondering if it is going to go up from there. The other airlines showing are operated by United and higher price.
Do I bite the bullet now before it gets worse?
Thank you for any helpful advice.
Do I bite the bullet now before it gets worse?
Thank you for any helpful advice.
Feb 12, 2018, 10:12 pm
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We need to fly from IAH to LHR in late December. Matrix is showing $7,054. PP. That is an insane amount, but I'm wondering if it is going to go up from there. The other airlines showing are operated by United and higher price.
Do I bite the bullet now before it gets worse?
Thank you for any helpful advice.
Do I bite the bullet now before it gets worse?
Thank you for any helpful advice.
This week I was shocked at being asked to pay $11k to go from LA to Barcelona. I searched and found a United flight for $3.5k to Tel Aviv. Anothe $800 got me to BCN and back. It’s not convenient, but Inlove to fly. If you have flexibility, check out other cities. TLV is admittedly a tad crazy, but you’ll never know what you’ll find at destinations across the channel.
Feb 12, 2018, 10:30 pm
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Try searching on different sites. I usually start with Google Flights. Very easy to use. It gives you a calendar of fares and will suggest changing your travel days by a couple of days to save money. It links to sites where you can purchase your tickets. In most cases there is a link to purchase via the operating airline which is nice.
Also try checking with Online Travel Agents like Expedia, Orbitz, Travelocity, Momondo.
Feb 12, 2018, 10:38 pm
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Award redemption may be another option, especially given the higher cash price and the potential saver awards availability.
Feb 14, 2018, 10:18 am
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IAH-LHR
One way United, IAH to LHR in December. Matrix is showing $7,054. PP. business class. This is the lowest
fare.
is it likely to only go up from here on?
Thank for any relevant info.
fare.
is it likely to only go up from here on?
Thank for any relevant info.
Feb 14, 2018, 10:42 am
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What is the purpose?
Elite Qualifying Dollars (e.g. client pays) - go for it
reasonably priced fare - buy a RT trip ticket and 'forget' to fly back, GDS dummy booking:
1 UA 880P 15DEC 6 IAHLHR SS1 1620 0725 16DEC 7 /DCUA /E
2 UA 879P 28DEC 5 LHRIAH SS1 1005 1455 /DCUA /E :
15DEC DEPARTURE DATE-----LAST DAY TO PURCHASE 17FEB/2040
BASE FARE TAXES/FEES/CHARGES TOTAL
1- USD2350.00 1297.41XT USD3647.41ADT
Elite Qualifying Dollars (e.g. client pays) - go for it
reasonably priced fare - buy a RT trip ticket and 'forget' to fly back, GDS dummy booking:
1 UA 880P 15DEC 6 IAHLHR SS1 1620 0725 16DEC 7 /DCUA /E
2 UA 879P 28DEC 5 LHRIAH SS1 1005 1455 /DCUA /E :
15DEC DEPARTURE DATE-----LAST DAY TO PURCHASE 17FEB/2040
BASE FARE TAXES/FEES/CHARGES TOTAL
1- USD2350.00 1297.41XT USD3647.41ADT