what are the odds of later this year seeing a 3 class plane on EWR-HKG or EWR-NRT?
Feb 12, 2012, 9:18 pm
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what are the odds of later this year seeing a 3 class plane on EWR-HKG or EWR-NRT?
Thanks for your help in advance, given how PMUA has chosen to carefully align their F product on routes that can sustain it, what are the odds of later this year seeing a 3 class plane on EWR-HKG or EWR-NRT? Would NYC have more of a market for it than ORD? Thanks. -UpstateFlyer
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Feb 12, 2012, 9:30 pm
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Thanks for your help in advance, given how PMUA has chosen to carefully align their F product on routes that can sustain it, what are the odds of later this year seeing a 3 class plane on EWR-HKG or EWR-NRT? Would NYC have more of a market for it than ORD? Thanks. -UpstateFlyer
Feb 12, 2012, 9:41 pm
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Thanks for your help in advance, given how PMUA has chosen to carefully align their F product on routes that can sustain it, what are the odds of later this year seeing a 3 class plane on EWR-HKG or EWR-NRT? Would NYC have more of a market for it than ORD? Thanks. -UpstateFlyer
IIRC, these routes are premium heavy, partially because everyone wants to be in a lie-flat seat for the 16 hour journey around the world. UA's ORD-HKG route does very well because a) it's Chicago and b) it sees traffic from East Coast folks connecting at ORD.
These two Continental routes would be my leading candidates for 3-class 777 service.
Feb 12, 2012, 10:08 pm
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Probably with a significant payload penalty. Which is why ORD-HKG is actually on their 744 and not a 772. If anything, the EWR-HKG may switch to a 744 instead. Flight time and distance are similar from EWR and from ORD, and the 744 has a marginally higher cruising speed.
Feb 12, 2012, 10:29 pm
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I used to think new UA would do things like upguage to 747 EWR-HKG but I now think they are going to phase out F alongside phasing out all PMUA wide body aircraft.
Feb 13, 2012, 6:38 am
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Thanks for your help in advance, given how PMUA has chosen to carefully align their F product on routes that can sustain it, what are the odds of later this year seeing a 3 class plane on EWR-HKG or EWR-NRT? Would NYC have more of a market for it than ORD? Thanks. -UpstateFlyer
Feb 13, 2012, 2:29 pm
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The only PMUA aircraft capable of flying EWR-HKG without taking a regular weight penalty would be the 744's. Keep in mind, ORD-HKG (PMUA 744's) is notorious for taking weight penalties (passengers and cargo) when wind conditions are unfavorable.
There is/was a pretty sizable thread in the PMUA forum about ORD-HKG being a bump-fest. It's a favorite route for those seeking VDB's.
Feb 13, 2012, 8:55 pm
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I know UA operated JFK-HKG for a few months in early 2001 with a 744. I seem to remember hearing about restrictions, though I can't find anything about it. Was I imagining things?
Feb 13, 2012, 11:40 pm
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As said, ORD->HKG and EWR->HKG has similar actual flight distance via Polar 2 or Polar 3, so if their 744s have occasional payload issues for ORD flights, it'd be the same for EWR.
Feb 14, 2012, 12:39 am
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You were probably not imagining things, as restriction may indeed be needed on some flights. CX used the 744 for JFK-HKG for years, but most of their fleet has R-R RB524Gs, while UA's have PW4056 with less thrust.
As said, ORD->HKG and EWR->HKG has similar actual flight distance via Polar 2 or Polar 3, so if their 744s have occasional payload issues for ORD flights, it'd be the same for EWR.
As said, ORD->HKG and EWR->HKG has similar actual flight distance via Polar 2 or Polar 3, so if their 744s have occasional payload issues for ORD flights, it'd be the same for EWR.
Feb 14, 2012, 1:11 am
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ANA is doing 8 across in Coach on the 787. CO is doing 9 across.