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LHCVG Aug 12, 2011 5:32 pm


Originally Posted by OMAguy (Post 16912702)
ORD is the 3rd largest city in the country - there may be lots of connections, but there is also a lot of O/D traffic as well. i dont see shifting to EWR unless UA is going to make a run at a shuttle - but since US and DL already have hourly shuttle service to LGA, i dont see UA entering into that game. i think all the ORD flights stay - it gets people in and out of DCA - with maybe one or two equip downgrade to an E170 on some mid-day flights. when congress is in session every flight to DCA is oversold.

Incidentally, one thing I have noticed is that UA really tries to force me to connect in EWR instead of ORD now. Last time I booked a ticket, I had to use multi-city to trick it into showing me every flight out of DCA on a given day--and I ended up paying the same price.

udondenver Aug 12, 2011 6:12 pm

DCA - US Air for UA miles/eqm
 
US Air is the better option at DCA for *A purposes. Pricing, services, convenience in the terminal, etc. Just my opinion. AX Plat now gets me into US Air lounge.

warreng24 Aug 13, 2011 7:54 am


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 16903870)
Moving the gate 500 meters away is a "major downgrade" here? Seriously?

YES. The current UA gates provide quick connections with US.

Especially with the slot swap, US will most likely grow at DCA. There will be more opportunities for connections between UA/CO and US.

Hopefully this will spur the airport authority to implement some sort of post-security walkway or shuttle or something.

CO DCA Aug 13, 2011 8:44 am


Originally Posted by LHCVG (Post 16913248)
Incidentally, one thing I have noticed is that UA really tries to force me to connect in EWR instead of ORD now. Last time I booked a ticket, I had to use multi-city to trick it into showing me every flight out of DCA on a given day--and I ended up paying the same price.

That's really odd: I'm having the exact opposite problem. CO keeps trying to force me to connect in ORD. I do know that there's something wrong with the Co.com booking engine - if there is not an F cabin, the engine has started routing my BF inquiries via ORD to EWR since there is an F cabin on those flights. Every once in a while at the very bottom it will give me the mid-afternoon barbie dream jet to EWR, but after like 30 different routings. Prior to the merger, that was always the first choice.

It also keeps trying to force me to drive out to IAD, but for all the reasons set out in this thread, I try like the devil not to go out to that dump.

LHCVG Aug 13, 2011 9:42 am


Originally Posted by CO DCA (Post 16915970)
That's really odd: I'm having the exact opposite problem. CO keeps trying to force me to connect in ORD. I do know that there's something wrong with the Co.com booking engine - if there is not an F cabin, the engine has started routing my BF inquiries via ORD to EWR since there is an F cabin on those flights. Every once in a while at the very bottom it will give me the mid-afternoon barbie dream jet to EWR, but after like 30 different routings. Prior to the merger, that was always the first choice.

It also keeps trying to force me to drive out to IAD, but for all the reasons set out in this thread, I try like the devil not to go out to that dump.

That's interesting we're each getting pushed to the "new" hub. The other weird thing about it, at least for me, is how I circumvented it. First I just hit United.com, and plugged in my info (ok fine, I'm not logged in, so whatever). Then I remembered to login to my MP account (maybe they unlock more flights for logged in MP members) -- no dice, just a couple more ORD flights than before. Then, after using the multi-city tool to manually build my DCA-ORD-CVG trip, I get all the available flights to choose from (ORD, EWR, and CLE). Go figure. So you might try the multi-city option on your end and see if that will build your trip the right way.

Driving by DCA Aug 13, 2011 10:05 am


Originally Posted by TWAB747nomore (Post 16912809)
Have you ever been in dca... it is the only usairways hub the isn't called a hub. DCA has tons of connecting traffic on US...

I reccomend spending some time at dca at getting familar with the airport...

I may have been in DCA one or twice...a week...for the past number of years.

You're right though and I should have been more clear. DCA isn't really a connecting airport for UA, CO, or AC. What US does down at their end of the terminal is their own business since I try very hard not to fly them unless it's the shuttle.

In fact, one of the reasons why moving UA to the CO gate area makes sense is that US is going to need new gate(s) to service the DL slots they're picking up in the US-DL slot swap. They sure as heck don't want the DL gate down near CO because that would give them gates behind all three security check points and, as you said, they actually do run a lot of connections out of DCA. So give them the old UA gates, give UA the old DL gate near CO and everyone wins.

halls120 Aug 13, 2011 11:08 am


Originally Posted by xzh445 (Post 16912559)
As long as those gate are leased. they don't give a rats patooty.

WN? They don't fly there, and it probably does not fit into their plans. If you mean an open gate as an enticement, MWAA doen't care as long as the gates are all leased. Sounding harsh, but refer to the three airports above. MWAA would be a close 2nd behind MASSPORT.

Even NY/NJ Port Authority is easier to deal with than MWAA. :eek:

The only things that matter to MWAA are building lavish conference facilities for its senior staff and a horribly expensive and unnecessary underground Metro station at IAD.

OMAguy Aug 14, 2011 5:57 am


Originally Posted by Driving by DCA (Post 16916351)

In fact, one of the reasons why moving UA to the CO gate area makes sense is that US is going to need new gate(s) to service the DL slots they're picking up in the US-DL slot swap. They sure as heck don't want the DL gate down near CO because that would give them gates behind all three security check points and, as you said, they actually do run a lot of connections out of DCA. So give them the old UA gates, give UA the old DL gate near CO and everyone wins.

Isn't US only getting 44 slots at DCA? 22 new departures? Hardly a huge increase. DL gained many more slots, but DL is also paying US some serious $$$$.

UAGuy2 Aug 14, 2011 7:05 am


Originally Posted by halls120 (Post 16916675)
The only things that matter to MWAA are building lavish conference facilities for its senior staff and a horribly expensive and unnecessary underground Metro station at IAD.

I think connecting IAD to the Metro is a good thing. Is your objection that the station is underground? Given all the growth in the suburbs out the I-66 corridor, I think expansion of the metro is a good idea.

OMAguy Aug 14, 2011 7:36 am


Originally Posted by UAGuy2 (Post 16921005)
I think connecting IAD to the Metro is a good thing. Is your objection that the station is underground? Given all the growth in the suburbs out the I-66 corridor, I think expansion of the metro is a good idea.

I am guessing the OP is referring to the controversy of building an above ground versus underground metro station at IAD. Metro is on the way to IAD - the decision is choosing the higher priced underground station versus the cheaper above-ground station. MWAA is in favor of the underground. Personally I think it should be done right the first time and whatever option gets the station closest to the terminal should be selected regardless of cost. IAD is already known for the long walks - why make another one from Metro?

Shareholder Aug 14, 2011 7:51 am

AC was moved, or should I say isolated to the old terminal a couple of years ago. It will be good to have UA and CO closer by so we can once more have a moderately convenient lounge nearby.

HNL Aug 14, 2011 11:44 am


Originally Posted by Shareholder (Post 16921213)
AC was moved, or should I say isolated to the old terminal a couple of years ago. It will be good to have UA and CO closer by so we can once more have a moderately convenient lounge nearby.

You would not be able to access the UA/CO lounge if you are departing on AC as the gate areas are behind different security checkpoints and the concourses are not connected airside.

Yuengling Aug 16, 2011 5:54 am


Originally Posted by halls120 (Post 16916675)
The only things that matter to MWAA are building lavish conference facilities for its senior staff and a horribly expensive and unnecessary underground Metro station at IAD.


Where are the conference facilities?

LHCVG Aug 16, 2011 6:32 am


Originally Posted by Yuengling (Post 16933837)
Where are the conference facilities?

I assumed he was referring to that HQ building adjacent to DCA, unless they have another facility.

Driving by DCA Aug 16, 2011 7:54 am


Originally Posted by OMAguy (Post 16920803)
Isn't US only getting 44 slots at DCA? 22 new departures? Hardly a huge increase. DL gained many more slots, but DL is also paying US some serious $$$$.

I haven't seen the exact number lately since US operations at DCA don't mean a lot to me. But, I imagine that 22 new departures still requires at least one additional gate at some point in the day unless they currently have gates that are really underutilized.

If they need a gate then their choices seem to be the current UA gates (which are behind the same security check point as some of their current gates and connected by a shuttle bus to others), the current DL gates (which would put them behind three different security check points), or maybe the current AA gates in some kind of multi-way swap.

Given those options, the simplest solution seems to be UA moving in with CO and US taking over as many of the UA gates as they need while DL (who presumably would need fewer gates now) gives up their gate next to the CO gates.

The more complicated option might see AA sent over to the current CO/one DL gate area and CO taking some of their gates (the ones down at the end of the "pod" perhaps) while US takes the one that is immediately across from the current US gates.

I guess the second option would have some advantages in terms of *A integration, but it also would require bringing a third carrier (AA) into the process and requiring that they move around infrastructure. Swapping gates probably isn't as easy as just moving some signage--I assume it also requires relocating a lot of a carrier's "behind the scenes" infrastructure and I don't see a compelling reason AA would want to do that just to help bring the *A carriers together.


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