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Calum May 30, 2018 9:22 pm
Has BA or HAL banned low-end restaurants from LHR?
 
So, I was reading this article about how HKG wants more of it's restaurants to become 24hrs, to encourage more airlines to offer flights in the early hours. Currently only two of it's restaurants are 24/7, one being McDonald's.

This got me thinking, I have never seen a McDonald's in T5 or Heathrow for that matter. Nor a burger King, KFC or Subway for that matter. Yet every other major airport in the world has one, two or more of them. Most medium and even small airports in Europe have one of them. I remember being stuck in Lisbon T2 for 6 hours a few months after it opened during a French air traffic control strike, there was one small duty free shop and a McDonald's, which was the only positive thing on a rather suicidal evening.

So is there some kind of backstory to this? I mean Starbucks also serves liquid trash but they charge a very high price giving the illusion that you are paying for a quality product?

Crampedin13A May 30, 2018 9:32 pm
MAN used to have all sorts of fast food restaurants and then Burger King had a fire iirc. Did this tighten up standards in all UK airports?

Calum May 30, 2018 9:35 pm
Originally Posted by Crampedin13A (Post 29811583)
MAN used to have all sorts of fast food restaurants and then Burger King had a fire iirc. Did this tighten up standards in all UK airports?
Actually now you mention it, the Mcdonald's that used to be in Gatwick South is gone. Nothing in GLA or EDI too. I think NCL still has it's burger king last time I checked.

smokie36 May 30, 2018 9:47 pm
Yes let's keep our airports free from this type of garbage.

UKtravelbear May 30, 2018 10:15 pm
Given the revenue HAL requires tenants to pay them in terms of rent and % of turnover (not profit) very few retailers and food outkets can afford to be in LHR.


and yes there is a ban on a lot of types of cooking equipment so no deep fat fryers for example (and I think open gas flames too) also limits who can practically trade there too.

so no flame grilled whopper for you!

scottishpoet May 30, 2018 10:34 pm
Greggs got "failed to negotiate a move" at GLA

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...greggs-1053918

I am sure there was a McDonalds iat LHR T1 at some time prior to T5 opening

Calum May 30, 2018 10:43 pm
Originally Posted by scottishpoet (Post 29811695)
Greggs got "failed to negotiate a move" at GLA

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...greggs-1053918

I am sure there was a McDonalds iat LHR T1 at some time prior to T5 opening
Seems a bit outrageous that GLA can host a Kirspy Kreme but not a Gregs, I guess that article is 8 years old now but still.

LCY8737 May 30, 2018 10:44 pm
The reason is probably more down to the rents being so extortionate that the low margins of McDonald's are not compatible. As a different data point: The number of McDonald's in central London has also come down.

madfish May 30, 2018 10:58 pm
It was at T1 back in 1997 that there was a fire in a Burger King.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.i...371.html%3famp

And for the record, there is s Greggs at both NCL and MAN (T1) both of which are landside.

Calum May 30, 2018 11:40 pm
Originally Posted by UKtravelbear (Post 29811662)
and yes there is a ban on a lot of types of cooking equipment so no deep fat fryers for example (and I think open gas flames too) also limits who can practically trade there too.
Seems odd, when did these rules come in? I remember seeing people walking around LGW South with Mcdonalds french fries which I think are deep fried? I think that was as recent as 2009/10

I'm not an expert on McDonalds by any means but I just find it weird that all the airport ones have disappeared in the UK but are thriving outside the UK.

DragonSoul May 31, 2018 1:06 am
Originally Posted by UKtravelbear (Post 29811662)
and yes there is a ban on a lot of types of cooking equipment so no deep fat fryers for example (and I think open gas flames too) also limits who can practically trade there too.

so no flame grilled whopper for you!

Can't imagine a ban on open gas flames would work in many countries. That would mean no stir-frying for a start!

WorldLux May 31, 2018 3:32 am
I suspect that it is a combination of LHR being expensive for tenants and LHR being split across 4 terminals, which reduces the number of potential customers (unless you open 4 stores). There is a Burger King at Stansted. There are several other fast food chains at STN (Itsu, Leon, Costa, Starbucks, Wetherspoon, Giraffe, Coast to Coast, etc.)

NeedstoFly May 31, 2018 7:39 am
The powers that be have calibrated Heathrow to be a high end high cost experience only. I'm more surprised by the absence of fast food outlets in Gatwick, Stansted and Luton. The target market at these airports must be huge.

the storm fisherman May 31, 2018 12:44 pm
There use to be a kfc and Mcdonalds Lgw landside and a Mcdonalds Landside in the North term in Baa days

Ldnn1 May 31, 2018 1:35 pm
Originally Posted by NeedstoFly (Post 29812881)
The powers that be have calibrated Heathrow to be a high end high cost experience only. I'm more surprised by the absence of fast food outlets in Gatwick, Stansted and Luton. The target market at these airports must be huge.
After a brief hiatus, Burger King will be reopening at Luton landside soon.


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