Singapore business lounge did not have wifi the last time I was there. They suggested that I connect to ANA's which was next door.

Based on my flight to BKK, I took the other day:

- Amuse-bouche was indeed gone
- Appetizer cart was still there, but one could only choose from 2 pre-plated appetizers (soup was also offered)
- There were still multiple dessert choices, but as dessert is combined with tee/coffee service there are no petit four
- There was a new IFE software - easier to navigate and with greater choice of blockbuster movies

Overall these are no further reduction vs. what was offered in early 2017.

There are no changes to short haul C-class service (still impressive vs. e.g. LH offering).

As a genuine enhancement there are new short haul C-class Philips headsets. On long haus they still offer Denon headsets (as previously reported).

On a separate note: I am yet to see a rude TK F/A - all F/A's were extremely nice.

Well, IST-DYU-IST is a disgrace. But then, TK basically is the only non-black-listed option to get there from the west (China Southern flies there from China). So a good example how a monopoly affects the customer!

No Turkish delight and no chochaltes

With the cutbacks and decline in quality on TK, if you had to choose for a J award to JRO from the US between TK and ET, which would you go for? The times of the TK flights into and out of JRO are awful for pax from America via IST, arrive 1:00am depart 3:00am. ET flight arrives 1:00pm departs 5:35pm.

I've flown J on TK (early 2016) and ET (early 2017). Their seats were more or less the same. On the long-haul legs TK provided turndown service, extra mattress and better bedding, so that is a plus for TK. Can't comment on the current food situation on TK, but back then it was excellent.

I enjoyed ET quite a lot, but ADD ground experience is not the smoothest (business and gold track is really slow sometimes) And their lounges are inferior to Turkish IST-lounge of course.

I'd choose TK I guess, but if their connections are horrible ET is not a bad choice.

<br /><br />These will likely be my flight choices assuming I can get 2 J award tickets using UA miles;
ET flights:
MCI -ORD UA 6:15-6:42pm
ORD-IAD UA 8:57-11:50pm overnight IAD
IAD-ADD ET 11:00-7:15am
ADD-JRO ET 10:20-12:56pm
travel time 34h21m

TK flights
MCI-ORD UA 6:34-8:15pm
ORD-IST TK 9:40-4:15pm
IST-JRO TK 6:20-1:10am
travel time 22h36m

return flights:
JRO-ADD ET 5:35-8:05pm
ADD-DUB ET 10:45pm-5:00am
DUB-IAD ET 5:45-8:40am
IAD-ORD UA 10:15-11:18am
ORD-MCI UA 12:33-2:15pm
travel time 33h19m

JRO-ZNZ TK 3:35-4:45am
ZNZ-IST TK 5:40-1:00pm
IST-ORD TK 2:00-5:35pm
ORD-MCI UA 7:35-9:03pm
travel time 25h28m
This trip will be in Sept 2018. TK flights from JRO-IST are either at 6:10am part of the year or 3:30am part of the year. No way of knowing what schedule they would be on for Sept. 2018

What really matters to you is which airline has I-class availability. Unfortunately with awards you have to grab whatever is available and from the States TK has fairly good award space availability, not sure about ET.

Hmmm. I would have to agree with many above. While TK FA's may often be forgetful, hard to find, linguistically challenged or whatever, rude is NOT something that they normally do/are.

Perhaps the OP is used to ultra fake Asian FA's who smile a lot, perform like robots, but in fact are not that great?

Regarding the lounge, yes it often is packed, although I must say that in my several hundred times in Tk lounges I have never seen them trash strewn or however he describes it. Perhaps the OP can post pictures? As for shower wait, etc. I see the same complaints all the time on most airlines forums if the poster is part of a big connection bank. That's life.

OTOH, the OP was flying PEK-MIA. A Biz fare with TK can often be had RT for this route of somewhere between $2500-4000. How much are the UA, AA, or DL options? Three times the price? Or if the OP went with Air China, Southern or Eastern, at least part of the way, I shiver to hear what the OP would have posted, I have been in all their lounges and they all pretty much are the most basic of basic.

We all know that the TK of 2017 is not the pre-June/July 2016 TK, and I am not normally a big TK cheerleader, but fairness, proportionality and reality have to be factored into this.

While you nitpick over details and indulge in fantasies of perfection the seats are disappearing.

Find out what's available and make a reservation!

Seats are not yet on the award calendar for the dates I want to travel, which is September 2018. I have to wait until October, 28 out for the seats. I want to get it perfect at the time I book as I would have to pay to make changes since I do not have status with UA to make free changes.

i had to look up JRO. Something I rarely have to do with airport codes. Maybe that is why you get junky a/c on that route.

If I have to make a choice between TK and EK for any route I look at only 2 things:

1- Which one gets me there quicker
2- Which one has decent departure and arrival times.

For me the seats, service, entertainment and quality of food are similar. I would not fly or wait in transit 2 extra hours to be in one or the other.

The TK flights have a shorter total travel time and lousy arrival/departure times. The ET flights have better arrival /departure times but much longer total travel times
with an overnight in Washington at mY exlense befor the TATL segment. I will likely go with TK and deal with arriving and leaving in the middle of the night. Very surprised an airline would have such a lousy scedules for flights to a major tourist destination.

I am flying to JRO this september with TK and the flight leaves at 1:30 am and arrives at 10:30am if I am not mistaken. Not a terrible flight schedule. But I agree that flights leaving to and leaving from Africa have the worst take off or landing times in general. I think this is mostly because the airport is having a hard time dealing with so many flights, having only 2 runways which cant be used at the same time. The new airport should solve this problem. But we have to wait 2 more years for that.