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ajax Oct 17, 2010 3:43 am


Originally Posted by Christopher (Post 14955472)
I know, and this can be a problem. I was also once told that supplying a passport was a requirement for hiring a car in Inverness. I happened to have it with me, so I didn't argue the toss, but it seemed very odd: I had booked the car in the UK, and the company (obviously) had sight of my driving licence, which carries a photo...

Yes, and it is impossible to acquire a UK driving licence without either supplying a passport or a birth certificate to the DVLA. Very weird.

aster Oct 17, 2010 7:14 am

You also need to be a resident of the UK and have an address there to get a license, no?

Christopher Oct 17, 2010 11:16 am


Originally Posted by aster (Post 14960081)
You also need to be a resident of the UK and have an address there to get a license, no?

A UK licence, yes, but not a licence of a another country, of course.

BDA shorts Oct 17, 2010 12:16 pm

Some places don't require residency for drivers licenses. I can think of Hawaii and Tonga off the top of my head. (A Hawaiian license is surprisingly easy to get, even for non-Americans. There are a few threads floating around on the subject.)

k992010 Jan 5, 2011 3:22 pm

Help & advice needed
 
I have seen various posts here re dual passport. I hold a Malaysian and British passport. Am planning a trip (stopover to Malaysia) and then Australia, transit via Singapore. So far I worked out the logistics of travelling as below, any advice, suggestions or help is most welcome:

UK- Singapore: UK passport thus enter Singapore as Brit
Singapore - Msia: leave using UK passport? Then enter Msia using Msian passport? This is where I struggle

Leave Msia using Msian passport and enter Singapore again (21 days later) using UK passport. Onwards journey Sing to Oz also using UK passport.

Does the plan make sense or anyone has better suggestions?

Thank you all in advance

k992010 Jan 5, 2011 3:24 pm

Help & advice needed
 
I have seen various posts here re dual passport. I hold a Malaysian and British passport. Am planning a trip (stopover to Malaysia) and then Australia, transit via Singapore. So far I worked out the logistics of travelling as below, any advice, suggestions or help is most welcome:

UK- Singapore: UK passport thus enter Singapore as Brit
Singapore - Msia: leave using UK passport? Then enter Msia using Msian passport? This is where I struggle

Leave Msia using Msian passport and enter Singapore again (21 days later) using UK passport. Onwards journey Sing to Oz also using UK passport.

Does the plan make sense or anyone has better suggestions?
Thank you all in advance

alanR Jan 5, 2011 3:53 pm


Originally Posted by ajax (Post 14952636)
I cannot see how this can be true. When traveling domestically, you cannot be expected to carry a passport; indeed, there are millions of British Citizens who are not even in possession of passports.

The only 2 valid documents for ALL Ryanair flights are a passport or a Government issued ID card.

However unless you want to fly to/from Belfast to several places in the UK or between Prestwick & Stansted it's pretty much a moot point.

alanR Jan 5, 2011 3:59 pm


Originally Posted by k992010 (Post 15590929)
I have seen various posts here re dual passport. I hold a Malaysian and British passport.

There are two general rules

1) you leave a country on the same passport you entered it.
2) if you are a citizen of a country then you must enter & leave that country on a passport for that country.

So you leave/enter the UK on your British passport and enter & leave Malaysia on your Malaysian (though you might not even have to do that if you stay airside as you won't formally enter Malaysia).

Otherwise it's up to you to decide which passport to use - generally the one that gets you easiest entry / cheapest visa / longest stay...

And if you have any problems you just show your other passport

Captain Schmidt Jan 5, 2011 4:03 pm

I thought we had a similar question recently and the general consensus was that Malaysia didn't allow dual nationality?

hauteboy Jan 5, 2011 4:15 pm

I have both US/UK passports (born in UK to a UK father, US mother). I've used the UK passport to visit Brazil (free vs $150 for US visa) and China ($45 vs $131). So having the 2nd passport has already paid for itself.

tentseller Jan 5, 2011 8:07 pm


Originally Posted by alanR (Post 15591169)
Otherwise it's up to you to decide which passport to use - generally the one that gets you easiest entry / cheapest visa / longest stay...

And if you have any problems you just show your other passport

I don't think so.
Whipping out a different passport without any backup of entry in it is not going to help you.

You are declaring at entry what nationality you are by the passport you use to enter.
If you have any issue when visiting a country it is the passport that you enter with that determine which country can offer you consular assistance.

SQ421 Jan 5, 2011 8:30 pm


Originally Posted by tentseller (Post 15592633)
If you have any issue when visiting a country it is the passport that you enter with that determine which country can offer you consular assistance.

Well, any country of which you are a citizen can and will offer consular assistance to you (except when you are in a country of which you also hold citizenship). The host country where you require consular assistance can however restrict consular assistance only from the country whose passport you used to enter the said host country.

HKCanadian Jan 11, 2011 6:34 pm

I recently obtained my Hong Kong passport in addition to my existing Canadian one. I haven't had a chance to use my HK passport yet (though I enjoyed using my Hong Kong Identity Card to enter/exit HK without talking to a single immigration officer, and my "Home Return Permit" to visit mainland China as opposed to getting a visa on my Canadian passport) but am looking forward to using my HK passport to visit Brazil and Russia visa-free later this year.

By the way, does anyone know how the South American countries are with regard to enter/exit stamp trails? I'm planning a 5 week trip to South America using primarily my Canadian passport, except for Brazil where I will be using my HK passport, but would like to know if any of the countries will care that I will have missing enter/exit stamps, or that I have two passports (I know it's rare, but it sounds like some countries like Saudi Arabia and maybe Malaysia have problems with non-citizens carrying two passports).

Paya Bunga Jan 16, 2011 12:31 am

I read this thread with interest as i can now relate to the issue on hand.

My wife and I are both Malaysians and we moved to the US in 2010. Our little princess was born few months ago in TX and I'm planning to get her a Malaysian birth cert (in addition to the US birth cert which automatically makes her a US citizen). When i called the Malaysian embassy to arrange for an appointment, the 1st thing the officer told me was that i must not have applied for a US passport for my daughter if i want to apply for her Msian birth cert. This is because Msia doesnt recognise dual citizenship. Since i have not applied a US passport for her yet, i dont foresee a problem getting the Msian birth cert.

However i am not sure whats the best approach with regards to getting a passport for her (for our trip to Msia in Sep). The issue is that i do not want to forgo her US citizenship and also i want to maintain her Malaysian citizenship (at least until she's old enough to decide which she prefers). So my question is:

1. Should my daughter travel on a US or Malaysia passport for the 1 mth trip to Malaysia?

2. Assuming she already has a US passport, would the Msian authorities have any way of knowing that when i apply for her Malaysian passport? If they can find out, then i guess i should get the Msian passport first and then only the US passport?

3. If she travels to Malaysia on her Malaysian passport, would there be any problem at the immigration upon returning to US ? I'm assuming no since US doesnt really care if you have dual citizenship.

I know by right i need to choose one (at least as per the Msian govt) but we havent really decided if we will be settling in the US move back to Msia 5-10 years from now, hence would like to have the flexibility when the time comes to decide.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

SQ421 Jan 16, 2011 4:42 pm


Originally Posted by Paya Bunga (Post 15667509)
2. Assuming she already has a US passport, would the Msian authorities have any way of knowing that when i apply for her Malaysian passport? If they can find out, then i guess i should get the Msian passport first and then only the US passport?

To the best of my knowledge, No.


Originally Posted by Paya Bunga (Post 15667509)
3. If she travels to Malaysia on her Malaysian passport, would there be any problem at the immigration upon returning to US ? I'm assuming no since US doesnt really care if you have dual citizenship.

US doesn't. Malaysia would. If Malaysia has outbound immigration, then the immigration officer could (and probably will!) notice a lack of US visa and question you, and her US passport will enter the picture.



Originally Posted by Paya Bunga (Post 15667509)
I know by right i need to choose one (at least as per the Msian govt) but we havent really decided if we will be settling in the US move back to Msia 5-10 years from now, hence would like to have the flexibility when the time comes to decide.

Your daughter is a US Citizen regardless of what Malaysia says. Renouncing US citizenship is not a straightforward process (though I'm not sure how it applies to someone who's born American but also has claims to another citizenship!). You could just never obtain a US passport for your daughter, but I can see that could make re-entry back into the US a touch tricky.


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