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Thongy Mar 23, 2009 12:12 am

Oh well I think I'll just stick to my Australian passport then for the moment. Thanks for the input once again.

Christopher Mar 23, 2009 3:19 am


Originally Posted by Christopher (Post 11453201)
No, that's only half the story. According to the UK Border Agency's page on dual nationality, regarding consular assistance:


Under international law, we [i.e. the British authorities in the country in question] cannot give you diplomatic help if you are in a country of which you are a national. For example, if you hold both British and Chinese nationality we would be unable to give you diplomatic help when you are visiting China.
Even that can be a grey area too, since sometimes unofficial assistance is able to be given (although such a relaxed situation would almost certainly not arise in the case of China!).

But if you are a citizen of both the UK and Paraguay and find yourself in need of consular assistance in Nepal, that issue does not arise, of course.

Perhaps I should have added, for the sake of completeness, that the quoted information applies if you are in difficulty (e.g. in prison) and require consular assistance. It does not apply to the ordinary work of a British consulate or embassy. So, for example, if you are a both a British citizen and a US citizen (say) and you lose your British passport while you are in the USA, or you want to register a newborn child with the British authorities, the British consul or embassy can render that sort of assistance.

Christopher Mar 23, 2009 3:20 am


Originally Posted by Thongy (Post 11457872)
Oh well I think I'll just stick to my Australian passport then for the moment. Thanks for the input once again.

Though in fact you might want to seek competent legal advice (from a lawyer who is well versed in Malaysian nationality and immigration law) or advice from the Malaysian authorities if you really want to pursue what possibilities are open to you.

GUWonder Mar 23, 2009 3:44 am


Originally Posted by Christopher (Post 11458188)
Though in fact you might want to seek competent legal advice (from a lawyer who is well versed in Malaysian nationality and immigration law) or advice from the Malaysian authorities if you really want to pursue what possibilities are open to you.

Competent attorneys in Malaysia will inform the OP that a choice has to be made -- Australian or Malaysian citizenship, can't be both -- and that they should consider the impact upon rights (particularly property/property acquisition/inheritance rights) in Malaysia as a non-citizen if electing to surrender/announce surrender of Malaysian citizenship.

Going to the Malaysian government authorities about such a matter should be done if and only if wanting to surrender/announce surrendering of Malaysian citizenship -- this going to authorities should preferably done after consultation with Malaysian attorneys to get briefed on rights that may be disrupted by a termination of Malaysian citizenship and what should be done about that.

Christopher Mar 23, 2009 8:37 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 11458229)
Competent attorneys in Malaysia will inform the OP that a choice has to be made -- Australian or Malaysian citizenship, can't be both -- and that they should consider the impact upon rights (particularly property/property acquisition/inheritance rights) in Malaysia as a non-citizen if electing to surrender/announce surrender of Malaysian citizenship.

Going to the Malaysian government authorities about such a matter should be done if and only if wanting to surrender/announce surrendering of Malaysian citizenship -- this going to authorities should preferably done after consultation with Malaysian attorneys to get briefed on rights that may be disrupted by a termination of Malaysian citizenship and what should be done about that.

I'm sure what you say about competent Malaysian lawyers is correct: my point was really that the OP oughtn't to rely on information from an on-line forum when it comes to making a decision such as this.

And I agree that before even considering going to the Malaysian authorities it would be very wise to be armed with all the facts.

nelsontcs888 Feb 15, 2010 10:47 pm

Malaysian vs US Passport - URGENT, Plz Help!!!
 
I'm a Green-card holder and consider to become US Naturalization (anytime now, if I apply). My concern is that I planned to go back to Malaysia very soon for more than a year (or maybe forever). I want to keep both of my status in Malaysia and U.S.

I know the option for applying the Re-Entry Permit (Form I-131) is not 100% secure if I stay oversea for more than 1 year. The 2nd option about becoming US Naturalization which concern me the followings:

1) How would I use those passports with being busted by US or Malaysia immigrant? I know for US we have to enter and exit via US passport but how about Malaysia..?
2) If I use US passport to enter Malaysia; wouldn't Malaysian immigration has my Malaysian status to find out that I have a dual citizenship? At least on the US passport they will show my origin place of birth is Malaysia.
3) If I use US passport to enter Malaysia; can I use my Malaysia passport to go to other countries (not US; elsewhere) from Malaysia?

I'm clueless of being dual nationality and afraid if I apply for Naturalization that will mess up my Malaysia passport. Thank you in advance for your helpful reply.

celle Feb 16, 2010 10:31 am


Originally Posted by mvtm (Post 11450733)
I also have the possibility to hold a third US passport in the future. Though, i believe you are only allowed 2?

I have a friend who legally holds passports for 5 countries, "just because he can." He travels with the passport/s appropriate for the places he will be visiting.

His nationalities are from UK, Ireland, Zimbabwe, South Africa and New Zealand.

Christopher Feb 16, 2010 12:45 pm


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 11444320)
And you are supposed to enter a country where you hold a passport using that country's passport.

That depends on the country. Some countries insist on it: the USA, Australia (except in rare circumstances), South Africa, for example. But the UK, for example, has no such requirement, and merely requires that the documentation that the traveller presents on arrival be sufficient for the intended purpose of the stay in the UK.

tentseller Feb 16, 2010 12:56 pm

With multiple passports: The biggest issue is if you are travelling on an itinerary that does not match up passport stamps in one passport.

Parents tried to save a few dollars by using a second passport to enter country A which has no entry visa requirement for their second passport. On their way home they needed to transit via another country where their second passport would require an entry visa so they used their first passport.
When it was determined that they came from country A and the border officer could not find the entry and exit stamp in their first passport they were detained and questioned(interrogated?). They ended up missing their connection and had to layover at their own expenses. I think every time their passport is scanned from now on the flashing red light goes off.

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If you are a citizen of one country by birth or any other legal means according to the law of that country, having a foreign passport will not be of any help if and when you need assistance of a foreign government.

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I have close relatives who are Malaysian nationals and they knew of cases where people's Malaysian citizenship was terminated and passports confiscated when a second passport under their name was discovered.

blumage Jul 5, 2010 11:42 pm


Originally Posted by tentseller (Post 13401289)
With multiple passports: The biggest issue is if you are travelling on an itinerary that does not match up passport stamps in one passport.

Parents tried to save a few dollars by using a second passport to enter country A which has no entry visa requirement for their second passport. On their way home they needed to transit via another country where their second passport would require an entry visa so they used their first passport.
When it was determined that they came from country A and the border officer could not find the entry and exit stamp in their first passport they were detained and questioned(interrogated?). They ended up missing their connection and had to layover at their own expenses. I think every time their passport is scanned from now on the flashing red light goes off.

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If you are a citizen of one country by birth or any other legal means according to the law of that country, having a foreign passport will not be of any help if and when you need assistance of a foreign government.

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I have close relatives who are Malaysian nationals and they knew of cases where people's Malaysian citizenship was terminated and passports confiscated when a second passport under their name was discovered.

What is the transiting country?

greenery-travel Jul 6, 2010 12:37 am

I have heard that a lot of dual citizens use Singapore as a transit point for switching passports. It will be interesting to see how Secure Flight affects this however. At a minimum, it would seem to require making separate itineraries for flights from country A to SIN and then onward to the US.

Gigantor Jul 6, 2010 12:45 am

two passports are much better than one
 
As a holder of both Swiss and US passports, I only use the US passport when I travel to the US.

Otherwise, it's only the Swiss passport...

grozzy Jul 6, 2010 2:30 am

Are there any problems in entering a country with a different passport to the one you used to exit your last country? I'm wondering how much information the airlines provide to the destination country.

celle Jul 8, 2010 2:24 am


Originally Posted by grozzy (Post 14249702)
Are there any problems in entering a country with a different passport to the one you used to exit your last country? I'm wondering how much information the airlines provide to the destination country.

I have dual citizenship - NZ and UK. I have never had a problem departing New Zealand on a NZ passport and entering the United Kingdom on a UK passport.

On the return trip, I depart the UK on the UK passport and re-enter NZ on the NZ passport. I usually have to show both passports at checkin, as the airline wants to know that I am OK for entering NZ. Also, the airline needs to see whichever passport has its details entered for pre-flight information.

Recently, I entered the US on my NZ passport (arriving by ship, ESTA obtained for NZ passport) and departed on my UK passport (UK passport details entered as pre-flight information for flight to the UK). At checkin, I handed in the "departure" part of the immigration form I had filled in on arrival in the US, and explained that I had entered on a different passport. Showed both passports. No problems.

SQ421 Jul 8, 2010 6:44 am


Originally Posted by celle (Post 13400186)
I have a friend who legally holds passports for 5 countries, "just because he can." He travels with the passport/s appropriate for the places he will be visiting.

His nationalities are from UK, Ireland, Zimbabwe, South Africa and New Zealand.

Time to tell your friend that he can't legally hold that Zimbabwean passport as for persons over the age of 18, holding a Zimbabwean and a second nationality passport is prohibited.

:)


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