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windcruiser Apr 3, 2008 6:00 pm

Flying Barefoot
 
I'm one of those "morons" who like going barefoot. I'm flying to Maui later this month and was dreading the long flights as well as an eight hour layover in DFW. Then I remembered past times when I've flown barefoot (to/from Aruba and Hawaii) and how much better it made the travel time go. So I fully plan to do so this time as well. I was only really hasseled about it once by an AA gate guy. And he was quite rude about it, so as soon as I was at my seat off came my sandals for the rest of the long trip and stopovers.

I realize there are a lot of up tight bare foot phobics out there but they don't bother me. I keep my feet to myself and unless you looked down you wouldn't even notice. And if dirty feet disgust you well, tough. I have my own pet peeves about others that I can't do anything about either. I'm not wearing shoes just because someone out there doesn't like to see bare feet.

I've seen others do it and have read posts on FT about seeing others do it. But my question is is there anyone else on FT that does it and what have been your experiences??

aajones Apr 3, 2008 6:04 pm

I generally wait until I'm on the plane to take my shoes off, but then invariably off they come. I applaud your tenacity. I think as long as your feet are clean and appeasing to the olfactory senses, it should be fine.

Just out of curiosity, do you go barefoot through the whole process--like walking through the airport etc?

Thrillington Apr 3, 2008 6:19 pm

I wear sandals most of the year and kick my shoes off every chance I get. I was actually told by a AA FA a couple of years ago that I had to wear socks, shoes or slippers if I was moving around the plane.

I don't see anything wrong with going barefoot and I don't know of any laws that says that you can't do it in an airport. Stand your guns and be comfy!

enviroian Apr 3, 2008 6:31 pm

I would never let my feet touch any surface of an aircraft. They are gross. What gets me is 1. When people put their feet on a bulkhead like they are in their living room and worse, 2. doing so barefoot.

My opinion? People who do that have zero class.

windcruiser Apr 3, 2008 8:19 pm

Flying Barefoot
 

Originally Posted by aajones (Post 9515657)
I generally wait until I'm on the plane to take my shoes off, but then invariably off they come. I applaud your tenacity. I think as long as your feet are clean and appeasing to the olfactory senses, it should be fine.

Just out of curiosity, do you go barefoot through the whole process--like walking through the airport etc?

Yup, the whole process, airport and all (that's the best part). But doing so I must admitt the bottoms of my feet get quite dirty, but heck, that's half the fun! I do have flip flops in my carryon just in case the unthinkable happens.

ace26 Apr 3, 2008 8:32 pm

Have you ever heard of Vibram Five Fingers?

windcruiser Apr 3, 2008 8:48 pm


Originally Posted by enviroian (Post 9515766)
I would never let my feet touch any surface of an aircraft. They are gross. What gets me is 1. When people put their feet on a bulkhead like they are in their living room and worse, 2. doing so barefoot.

My opinion? People who do that have zero class.

Well, an exhibitionist I am not. Like I said before I keep my feet to myself. But I have no qualms about walking around barefoot on surfaces that some might claim to be gross or unsanitary. I'm sure airplane/airport floors aren't any worse than most hotel floors or even some peoples' home floors. Adrian Monk would hate me but I certainly wouldn't want to be in his shoes (or mine).

Gargoyle Apr 3, 2008 8:58 pm

I take it you also plan to go into the airplane lavs barefoot, then track all that wetness back on the carpet to your seat? Real smart.

gj83 Apr 3, 2008 9:04 pm


Originally Posted by Gargoyle (Post 9516362)
I take it you also plan to go into the airplane lavs barefoot, then track all that wetness back on the carpet to your seat? Real smart.

And wearing shoes prevents this how?

I thought wearing shoes and shirts in public was just to keep the hippies out. Most places say it is for hygiene and the health departments usually mandate it...but that doesn't mean it's necessary.

fatfrog Apr 3, 2008 9:11 pm


Originally Posted by ace26 (Post 9516261)
Have you ever heard of Vibram Five Fingers?

Whoah! This is the first I've heard of them. Ace -- have you worn these before? Are they comfortable? Aren't people's toes different lengths?

I grew up in a shoe-less household so I really hate wearing shoes and will kick them off at work as long as I'm not doing anything where my footwear is visible, but I always wear at least socks on a plane, if only for warmth.

birdstrike Apr 3, 2008 9:22 pm


Originally Posted by gj83 (Post 9516390)
I thought wearing shoes and shirts in public was just to keep the hippies out. Most places say it is for hygiene and the health departments usually mandate it...but that doesn't mean it's necessary.

If you knew of the amount of glassware broken in restaurants you wouldn't be so keen to ignore health department regulations. :eek:

That said, I have no problem with bare feet, but bare feet in most public places are not part of the US culture. So, unavoidably, people who flaunt cultural norms attract attention and suspicion upon themselves.

Since we are herd animals, different often means damaged and the bare feet in public that we are most exposed to indeed frequently belong to street people.

That said, there are posters on FT who espouse the health benefits of going barefoot. I suspect we will hear from them shortly.

Personally, I remove my shoes aboard aircraft, but leave my socks on. I wear kung foo shoes to and from the lav since I do not want my feet nor socks soaked in other peoples, nor mine, for that matter, excrement.

ralfp Apr 3, 2008 9:28 pm


Originally Posted by ace26 (Post 9516261)
Have you ever heard of Vibram Five Fingers?

What the? Gloves have an advantage over mittens because you use your fingers to manipulate stuff. I thought that humans had evolved past using our feet like hands.

These things make sense if you're doing something that requires fine balancing, etc. (rock climbing, tightrope walking, etc.) but airplane travel is not one of those things.

moocherx Apr 3, 2008 10:01 pm


Originally Posted by ralfp (Post 9516478)
What the? Gloves have an advantage over mittens because you use your fingers to manipulate stuff. I thought that humans had evolved past using our feet like hands.

These things make sense if you're doing something that requires fine balancing, etc. (rock climbing, tightrope walking, etc.) but airplane travel is not one of those things.

As a resident of two countries where baring the sole of the foot is offensive to local customs/traditions (one in Asia, one in the Middle East), I think those Vibram 5 fingers are a much better alternative than bare feet in a confined space where people may take offence. If you're culturally insensitive, probably wouldn't be in a position to be travelling in these regions anyway, but still...

I am completely amazed though, quite how wet aircraft toilets can get. Maybe I'm just a uniquely good aim, but seriously - what are people doing in there??? :confused:

CApreppie Apr 3, 2008 10:18 pm

Disgusting. Wear flip flops at least.

alanh Apr 3, 2008 10:33 pm

I may get disgusted by proxy, but barefoot people aren't going to track anything that shoes won't. If they're okay standing in the urine in the lavatory, so be it.

bcphitau Apr 3, 2008 10:48 pm

I don't mean to judge you, but...

Feet do generally carry a hundred or hundreds of pounds of pressure and, as such, are a odor-producing part of our bodies.

Wouldn't you want to show decency and respect to your fellow travellers by at least offering a sock and shoe's worth of a protective barrier between your odors and their noses?

You should be able to run around barefoot all you want in your own home but the aircraft isn't your own to do that.

I feel the same way about people who travel in tank tops and expose the rest of us to their armpits, by the way.

hobarthoney Apr 3, 2008 11:04 pm

Man that is Filthy :eek: No shoes at all! I am the first to take my shoes off when I am in my seat but you never have shoes on? You are one brave person to walk into an airport/airplane toilet with no shoes !!!:eek:

opus17 Apr 4, 2008 2:05 pm

Shoes and at least one pair socks are a minimum for a plane!

skylady Apr 4, 2008 2:29 pm

On AA, you are requuired to wear shoes for boarding and deplaning. Beyond that, it's up to you.:eek::eek:

gobluetwo Apr 4, 2008 3:08 pm

the whole lav thing would be the deal-breaker for me. no way i walk into one of those barefoot.

also, what do you do when you go home? do you wash your feet before going inside? i never understood people that wear shoes inside their homes, and barefoot all the time is basically the same thing. we're a "no shoes inside" family. i might actually make you put clean shoes ON before walking into my house, lol.

kaukau Apr 4, 2008 3:22 pm


Originally Posted by windcruiser (Post 9515644)
I'm one of those "morons" who like going barefoot. I'm flying to Maui later this month and was dreading the long flights as well as an eight hour layover in DFW. Then I remembered past times when I've flown barefoot (to/from Aruba and Hawaii) and how much better it made the travel time go. So I fully plan to do so this time as well. I was only really hasseled about it once by an AA gate guy. And he was quite rude about it, so as soon as I was at my seat off came my sandals for the rest of the long trip and stopovers.

I realize there are a lot of up tight bare foot phobics out there but they don't bother me. I keep my feet to myself and unless you looked down you wouldn't even notice. And if dirty feet disgust you well, tough. I have my own pet peeves about others that I can't do anything about either. I'm not wearing shoes just because someone out there doesn't like to see bare feet.

I've seen others do it and have read posts on FT about seeing others do it. But my question is is there anyone else on FT that does it and what have been your experiences??

Rubbah slippahs, or "flipflops", as you call them on the mainland, are the "de rigeur" footwear here in the Islands: everyone wears them; all the time; everywhere; they are our "shoes". Barefoot, however, is only at the beach or inside the hale (house). On long flights, (trans-Pac; not inter-island), everybody settles into their seats, kicks off their slippahs, and puts on a pair of socks for the flight. When using the lav., one puts the slippahs on over the socks, pressing the sock in between the big and neighbor toe to accomodate the slippahs. When deplaning, one removes the socks (or not, if it cold at the destination!), and puts on da slippahs. If you see someone walking around the airport or plane barefoot, everyone thinks they're a little kapakahi: "Put on your slippahs, bruddah; what, you tink you're at da beach?" :D

tkey75 Apr 4, 2008 3:56 pm


Originally Posted by bcphitau (Post 9516759)
I don't mean to judge you, but...

Feet do generally carry a hundred or hundreds of pounds of pressure and, as such, are a odor-producing part of our bodies.

Wouldn't you want to show decency and respect to your fellow travellers by at least offering a sock and shoe's worth of a protective barrier between your odors and their noses?

You should be able to run around barefoot all you want in your own home but the aircraft isn't your own to do that.

I feel the same way about people who travel in tank tops and expose the rest of us to their armpits, by the way.

I dunno about that. Your foot smells not from the weight put upon them, but from the bacteria that grows in the sweat your foot emits because you bind them up tight in the little incubators you call shoes and socks. I'll bet the op's feet smell less like a gym than yours do on any given day.

That's not to say bare feet don't collect odors of their own ;)

windcruiser Apr 4, 2008 3:58 pm


Originally Posted by gobluetwo (Post 9520176)
the whole lav thing would be the deal-breaker for me. no way i walk into one of those barefoot.

also, what do you do when you go home? do you wash your feet before going inside? i never understood people that wear shoes inside their homes, and barefoot all the time is basically the same thing. we're a "no shoes inside" family. i might actually make you put clean shoes ON before walking into my house, lol.

I'd wash 'em off with the garden hose... :)

windcruiser Apr 4, 2008 4:02 pm


Originally Posted by kaukau (Post 9520247)
Rubbah slippahs, or "flipflops", as you call them on the mainland, are the "de rigeur" footwear here in the Islands: everyone wears them; all the time; everywhere; they are our "shoes". Barefoot, however, is only at the beach or inside the hale (house). On long flights, (trans-Pac; not inter-island), everybody settles into their seats, kicks off their slippahs, and puts on a pair of socks for the flight. When using the lav., one puts the slippahs on over the socks, pressing the sock in between the big and neighbor toe to accomodate the slippahs. When deplaning, one removes the socks (or not, if it cold at the destination!), and puts on da slippahs. If you see someone walking around the airport or plane barefoot, everyone thinks they're a little kapakahi: "Put on your slippahs, bruddah; what, you tink you're at da beach?" :D

You know what dey say, bruddah, life's a beach and den you die. So why not? :0

nordic1 Apr 4, 2008 4:18 pm

I think cultural attitudes toward bare feet vary, and am willing to accept that to a degree. Personally, I don't wear shoes in my home, and prefer open-toed shoes for anything outside of the home. I kick my shoes off in my office, but only if no one else is present. That being said, I would never walk barefoot in any public place.

As far as others taking their shoes off...as long as there is some semblance of proper grooming, whatever... I don't want to see long, nasty toenails, cracked heels or dirt. Barring that, I don't care what others do.

AA53 Apr 4, 2008 4:33 pm

Greyhound
 
To say that air travel hasn't declined to the level of bus transport, simply read the OP's post. There is little consideration for anyone but himself and not a bit of concern for health and well being of fellow passengers. I hope AA and other airlines do something about dress codes...at least where health issues are involved. To the OP:
1. Would you want FAs to go barefoot too? Should they wash their hands before handling your food? Do you bother to wear shoes/socks to the lav?
2. Should passengers bother bathing that sit next to you?
3. Do you have any decorum when you visit a restaurant? Food is handled there too.
4. Do people go barefoot in your home? Well, maybe given your post.

It is sad some care only about themselves. Selfish and boorish behavior abounds.

beckoa Apr 4, 2008 4:36 pm


Originally Posted by kaukau (Post 9520247)
Rubbah slippahs, or "flipflops", as you call them on the mainland, are the "de rigeur" footwear here in the Islands: everyone wears them; all the time; everywhere; they are our "shoes". Barefoot, however, is only at the beach or inside the hale (house). On long flights, (trans-Pac; not inter-island), everybody settles into their seats, kicks off their slippahs, and puts on a pair of socks for the flight. When using the lav., one puts the slippahs on over the socks, pressing the sock in between the big and neighbor toe to accomodate the slippahs. When deplaning, one removes the socks (or not, if it cold at the destination!), and puts on da slippahs. If you see someone walking around the airport or plane barefoot, everyone thinks they're a little kapakahi: "Put on your slippahs, bruddah; what, you tink you're at da beach?" :D

I am a Teva dude- wear sandals everywhere... and I mean everywhere...

I've had them from FAI to LIH, SEA to EYW, BOS to SNA... all over the states - flying, hiking, sunbating, fishing, even clamming.

It does not matter if its 129 degrees in Bullhead City, AZ or zero in ANC! I've worn them everywhere, rain, snow, or shine! However if there is more then half an inch of snow on the ground I switch to hiking boots, since I don't like my feet melting a path.


Originally Posted by tkey75 (Post 9520392)
I dunno about that. Your foot smells not from the weight put upon them, but from the bacteria that grows in the sweat your foot emits because you bind them up tight in the little incubators you call shoes and socks. I'll bet the op's feet smell less like a gym than yours do on any given day.

That's not to say bare feet don't collect odors of their own ;)

I dunno about that either, since my feet can get pretty bad sometimes. My sandals can smell fairly bad, even after repeated washings... so its an endless battle!

cheepneezy Apr 4, 2008 4:53 pm


Originally Posted by windcruiser (Post 9516329)
I'm sure airplane/airport floors aren't any worse than most hotel floors or even some peoples' home floors.

I attempt to keep my floor urine free. Can't say that for a plane. I love walking barefoot as much as the next person, but airports/planes aren't really the place for it.

GuyverII Apr 4, 2008 5:00 pm


Originally Posted by cheepneezy (Post 9520618)
I attempt to keep my floor urine free. Can't say that for a plane. I love walking barefoot as much as the next person, but airports/planes aren't really the place for it.

Preach it!

I've had the head FA make people put their socks back on three separate occasions. This is due to your smelly feet.

echocrest Apr 4, 2008 7:28 pm

dirty bare feet = gross imho. But as long as you keep them well to your self and they don't smell, I guess I can't complain.

KVS Apr 4, 2008 8:19 pm


Originally Posted by windcruiser (Post 9515644)
I'm one of those "morons" who like going barefoot.

In that case, you will need to charter a private jet (or similar), since virtually all commercial airlines do not accept such passengers for carriage:

For example, here is a quote from AA's Domestic Conditions Of Carriage (http://www.aa.com/aa/i18nForward.do?...jsp#AcceptPass):
ACCEPTANCE OF PASSENGERS

American may refuse to transport you, or may remove you from your flight at any point, for one or several reasons, including but not limited to the following:

1. Compliance with government requisition of space.

2. Action necessary or advisable due to weather, or other conditions beyond American's control.

3. Refusal to permit a search of person or property for explosives or for deadly, controlled, or dangerous weapons, articles or substances.

4. Refusal to produce positive identification upon request.

5. Your physical or mental condition is such that in American's sole opinion, you are rendered or likely to be rendered incapable of comprehending or complying with safety instructions without the assistance of an attendant.

6. Your conduct is disorderly, abusive or violent, or you
1. Appear to be intoxicated or under the influence of drugs,
2. Attempt to interfere with any member of the flight crew,
3. Have a communicable disease that has been determined by a federal public health authority to be transmissible to other persons in the normal course of flight,
4. Refuse to obey instructions from any flight crew member,
5. Have an offensive odor not caused by a disability or illness,
6. Are clothed in a manner that would cause discomfort or offense to other passengers,
7. are barefoot, or
8. Engage in any action, voluntary or involuntary, that might jeopardize the safety of the aircraft or any of its occupants.

7. Additional information regarding American's passenger acceptance policy may be obtained from any American ticket office.


Emeraldcity Apr 4, 2008 8:37 pm


Originally Posted by kaukau (Post 9520247)
Rubbah slippahs, or "flipflops", as you call them on the mainland, are the "de rigeur" footwear here in the Islands: everyone wears them; all the time; everywhere; they are our "shoes". Barefoot, however, is only at the beach or inside the hale (house). On long flights, (trans-Pac; not inter-island), everybody settles into their seats, kicks off their slippahs, and puts on a pair of socks for the flight. When using the lav., one puts the slippahs on over the socks, pressing the sock in between the big and neighbor toe to accomodate the slippahs. When deplaning, one removes the socks (or not, if it cold at the destination!), and puts on da slippahs. If you see someone walking around the airport or plane barefoot, everyone thinks they're a little kapakahi: "Put on your slippahs, bruddah; what, you tink you're at da beach?" :D

THANK YOU! :D:D:D:D:D

tkey75 Apr 4, 2008 8:42 pm


Originally Posted by beckoa (Post 9520557)
I am a Teva dude- wear sandals everywhere... and I mean everywhere...

I've had them from FAI to LIH, SEA to EYW, BOS to SNA... all over the states - flying, hiking, sunbating, fishing, even clamming.

It does not matter if its 129 degrees in Bullhead City, AZ or zero in ANC! I've worn them everywhere, rain, snow, or shine! However if there is more then half an inch of snow on the ground I switch to hiking boots, since I don't like my feet melting a path.


I dunno about that either, since my feet can get pretty bad sometimes. My sandals can smell fairly bad, even after repeated washings... so its an endless battle!

Just like you said - it's the sandals. not the feet. Those Tevas get a funk to them that translates to a foot smell. I'm a Teva guy myself and have found an overnight soak in baking soda does the trick nicely. Fresh and odor free.

thegeneral Apr 4, 2008 9:03 pm

"Feet do generally carry a hundred or hundreds of pounds of pressure and, as such, are a odor-producing part of our bodies."

To add to that, your feet sweat about a cup a day. The guy should at least wear birks or something. There's a reason why places have a no shirt, no shoes no service policy.

echocrest Apr 4, 2008 10:48 pm

/\ Wow. That made feet even grosser to me.

Mudfish Apr 4, 2008 11:20 pm

I don't really get what the big deal is. I'm a shoes all the time guy, but that is because I don't want my feet on the dirty floors. As long as your feet don't stink, I have no problem with you being barefooted. It's not like the floor is getting dirtier due to your bare feet. Anything a bare foot can track around a plane or any other floor can just as easily be tracked around by a foot in a shoe.

flymeaway Apr 5, 2008 1:45 am

I'm sure much of this has been said already, but I haven't read the 3 pages of replies...so here goes.

Why not get a little set of slippers, like those given in biz class on Asia flights? They take up virtually no room in a bag and can easily be slipped on and off.

It's a good idea for a number of reasons. Firstly, the floors are nasty. The lavs do not get mopped and sanitized between every flight and those floors are gross! A lot of male types have a hard time aiming on solid ground, so one can only guess what goes on in there in a bumpy airplane. I'm sure I'm not the only one that has seen pee streams on the walls. And every time someone goes in or out, it's tracked onto the carpet - along with whatever else has been spilled in (or vomited onto) the aisles during normal course of business.

Secondly, I'm sure you've seen FA's trying to clean up broken glassware in the galley. We have no real cleaning supplies. No vacuums. There are always tiny shards of glass or china left behind when something breaks - and the little pieces that end up behind the galley carts doesn't get vacuumed out until the 'big' cleanings occur (which isn't that often). Every time a cart is rolled back and forth, all that debris gets tracked with it.

Thirdly, every time you walk through the galley to get to the lav, you're walking through a food service area. Would you consider walking barefoot through the kitchen of your favorite restaurant? What would the reaction be if you did?

Lastly, it simply is offensive to people. You may not care, but it is.

Everyone loves to bemoan the fact that airlines don't give the service that they used to...but let's face it. Passengers don't board the plane with the same etiquette that they used to either. It's fine if you want to go barefoot beneath your blanket on a long flight. Socks aren't always comfy given the variable cabin temps and that's fine - but be courteous enough to cover them up when walking through the public areas.

cheepneezy Apr 5, 2008 4:47 am

Ding, ding, ding! I think we have a winner! ^^^

opus17 Apr 5, 2008 8:34 am

Personally, I don't think beachwear like flip-flops or sandals are appropriate for planes (let alone barefoot), if for nothing else than safety reasons. Of course, as a hetero male, I've never even owned a pair of sandals or flip-flops, but to each his own...

kaukau Apr 5, 2008 8:42 am


Originally Posted by opus17 (Post 9522803)
Of course, as a hetero male, I've never even owned a pair of sandals or flip-flops, but to each his own...

:confused: Wha' choo sayin, Willis? You callin the State of Hawaii one mahoo? :D


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