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Originally Posted by JTG
Interesting. In a thread about today's thoughtless "ME" society, a staunch supporter of the "I'll do whatever I want to do" posts under the moniker MEnosay. Then again, maybe you just don't know . . .
But you're right, I just don't know. |
cultural relativism
Originally Posted by mpattdu
It's every traveller's responsibility to abide by the customs/laws/norms of the society he or she is visiting. That said, I really don't see how you can assume that someone who would confront a person about breaking a norm here (not littering) would knowingly break a norm in a different country? Why do you make that assumption?
Regarding your Greek example, wouldn't you think that a civil person, not accostomed to a society's norms, would want to be told if his actions were breaking those norms? Not littering is actually the norm everywhere, I am sorry to say. It just isn't socially enforced everywhere. In Japan, or Sweden, or Marin County, you'd be publicly shamed if you littered, and fear of that shame would be enough to make you hunt down a trashcan even if you had to go twenty miles for it. In most other places in the world, the social contract isn't that well developed, and people act based on selfish individual interests without regard for the community or their standing in it. In many cases, such as many post-communist societies, this is a form of individualistic rebellion; when the orthodox and totalitarian concept of community solidarity and socialization has been overthrown, nihilistic self-indulgence is the only rational response. In others, it's intellectual laziness. That's where the United States has drifted to in recent decades. We insulate ourselves from the consequences of all of our actions, and a sizeable minority of people is always willing to screw their neighbors. Trash on the seats is a minor symptom. Here's some more:
I'm sure you all can think of more. What's more important to think about is this: there's probably something on that list that drives you personally over-the-top bars-in-the-window nuts. There is also probably something on that list that you do often either without thinking about it, or while conjuring up some self-serving justification that relies on you having "earned it" or denigrates somehow those who object to the behavior. But what all of that behavior has in common is this: it makes life marginally better for you while making it marginally worse for others. In economics, this is known as "the tragedy of the commons" and is a crucial weakness in classic capitalist laissez-faire theory; even the most hard-hearted capitalist recognizes that a system driven by self-interest has no way to preserve a common good, like open space, clean air, a quiet library, civil discourse, or a trash-free gate area at an airport. Capitalists build regulations to prevent businesses from destroying the common environment and ruining it for everyone. Some civilizations preserve the common social environment through a sense of common good and individual behavior norms that assume a necessary amount of etiquette and community responsibility. So sad to see the United States losing that, and the few willing to stand up for social norms disappearing into their Ipods and ranting on anonymous boards instead of taking a stand. Me included. |
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