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l etoile Jan 4, 2006 4:07 pm


Originally Posted by Wallstreet10006
Anyone else pick up on this?

Not sure what your point is. I don't see anything that's contradictory.

notsoFT Jan 4, 2006 4:15 pm

maybe the OP was mistaking his wife for his mistress that he took to mexico! haha!

YVR Cockroach Jan 4, 2006 4:46 pm


Originally Posted by LonLH
Not necessarily true in all cases- there are countries like the UK and Scandinavian countries which do not have national ID cards. And due to longstanding traditions, people in these countries are hostile to the whole idea of ID cards which they consider a way of government interference in their lives.

That long-standing tradition may be over in the U.K. soon. I know the government wants to impose an ID card system but there's some quibbling over the cost (an astonishing GBP 300 or so each! :eek: )

YVR Cockroach Jan 4, 2006 4:48 pm


Originally Posted by LonLH
You do so at your own risk- the Schegen area allows people to travel without border controls, but it is assumed that you should be able to prove your nationality. Which is a passport or ID card in case the country has a national ID card (a few such as UK, Ireland, Scandinavian countries do not have national ID cards).

Not only that but Schengen mcountries have the right to suspend the treaty, at least temporarily. This has been mostly used to prevent football (soccer) hooligans from going to other Schengen treaty countries to cause trouble.

YVR Cockroach Jan 4, 2006 4:51 pm


Originally Posted by Doppy
Ah, yes, but how many foreign countries can Brits and Germans go to with only their birth certificates? Americans can go to (at least up until now) Mexico, Canada and a number of countries in the Caribbean with just a birth certificate. .

+ picture ID. I guess the requirements were never consistently or vigorously reinforced until recently. I seem to remember crossing into the U.S. on 9th September 2001 and the U.S. agent only looking at my Cdn passport cover.

LonLH Jan 4, 2006 5:11 pm


Originally Posted by terenz
That long-standing tradition may be over in the U.K. soon. I know the government wants to impose an ID card system but there's some quibbling over the cost (an astonishing GBP 300 or so each! :eek: )

Now that Blunkett is gone and Labour is in trouble, I think ID card thing will cool off.. I don't think Charles Clarke is all that keen with backbench troubles...

LonLH Jan 4, 2006 5:15 pm


Originally Posted by terenz
+ picture ID. I guess the requirements were never consistently or vigorously reinforced until recently. I seem to remember crossing into the U.S. on 9th September 2001 and the U.S. agent only looking at my Cdn passport cover.

And I remember Scandinavians crossing passport control just saying Norsk/Svensk/Dansk as the case may be before they became Schegen countries. Strictly speaking you don't need a passport to travel within scandinavia if you are from a Scandinavian country- if you speak the language and look like them, they let you go :D :D

Jakebeth Jan 4, 2006 5:16 pm


Originally Posted by LonLH
And I remember Scandinavians crossing passport control just saying Norsk/Svensk/Dansk as the case may be. Strictly speaking you don't need a passport to travel within scandinavia if you are from a Scandinavian country- if you speak the language and look like them, they let you go :D :D

Uh oh. Racist Scandanavians!! Quick! Better move this to OMNI right away!!!! :D

jerry crump Jan 4, 2006 7:33 pm

You guys think AA might give all us some vouchers for having helped them out with this?

Fly AA J all the way Jan 4, 2006 9:46 pm


Originally Posted by Pickles
he better have Johnny Cochrane on his team for this one.


Uh, that's not really gonna do much good these days.

sigprn Jan 17, 2006 2:35 pm

Although American Airlines was at fault for giving you that info you were also at fault. Why would every other member of your family have a passport and not the 8 year old? Makes no sense. Finally. You have a computer you have the internet or you wouldn't be here. Would it have been that hard to go to the state dept. Website and see what was going on with entry to costa rica. Also you can fill out a passport application on there website print it out and find the nearest place that even has photo to process it at.

okko Jan 17, 2006 3:23 pm


Originally Posted by LonLH
And I remember Scandinavians crossing passport control just saying Norsk/Svensk/Dansk as the case may be before they became Schegen countries. Strictly speaking you don't need a passport to travel within scandinavia if you are from a Scandinavian country- if you speak the language and look like them, they let you go :D :D

Please, please do not exclude Finland and Iceland! :(

In fact, passport freedom (among other things) applied (and still does) to travel within the Nordic Countries (i.e. Scandinavian countries as well as Iceland and Finland). This Nordic co-operation is also the key reason to Iceland and Norway being included in the 'Schengen area' - AFAIK, freedom of movement within the Nordic region could not be compromised when Finland, Sweden and Denmark signed the treaty.

further info:
http://www.norden.org/grensehindring...dex.asp?lang=6

GUWonder Jan 18, 2006 1:31 am


Originally Posted by okko
Please, please do not exclude Finland and Iceland! :(

In fact, passport freedom (among other things) applied (and still does) to travel within the Nordic Countries (i.e. Scandinavian countries as well as Iceland and Finland). This Nordic co-operation is also the key reason to Iceland and Norway being included in the 'Schengen area' - AFAIK, freedom of movement within the Nordic region could not be compromised when Finland, Sweden and Denmark signed the treaty.

further info:
http://www.norden.org/grensehindring...dex.asp?lang=6

:D Well, Iceland is Scandinavian, is it not? And Finland is the reason that the Nordic-label is used and not the Scandinavian label because of linguistic reasons? Nordic being a larger group than Scandinavian, right?

This past summer, Finland put a check into place on even some intra-region travel paths. It may have been passport-freedom but it is not always check-free movement. (And there are still some customs checks at some ports.)

okko Jan 18, 2006 2:25 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder
:D Well, Iceland is Scandinavian, is it not? And Finland is the reason that the Nordic-label is used and not the Scandinavian label because of linguistic reasons? Nordic being a larger group than Scandinavian, right?

This past summer, Finland put a check into place on even some intra-region travel paths. It may have been passport-freedom but it is not always check-free movement. (And there are still some customs checks at some ports.)

I do not think Iceland is part of Scandinavia, although they do speak a Scandinavian language. Having said that, Finland was a part of Sweden for 500 years, and Swedish is one of the official languages of Finland - if you define Scandinavia culturally, Finland could almost qualify (I'd be excluded as I'm a bit of a hillbilly and my school-Swedish is a bit rusty). :cool:

...and you're referring to the extra control put in place for the world championships in athletics last summer? I'd think that was a security issue more than anything else.

GUWonder,

forgot to mention in another topic that I can give you a contact in the Finnish Frontier Guards if and when you have any issues with the Finnish immigration. ;)

okko Jan 18, 2006 2:36 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder
This past summer, Finland put a check into place on even some intra-region travel paths. It may have been passport-freedom but it is not always check-free movement. (And there are still some customs checks at some ports.)

Forgot to add that we do have customs checks (at least technically) within Finland when you travel between the mainland and Åland (part of Finland).

Generally I'd say that freedom of movement is one of the privileges that we have in Finland though. European democracy does have its benefits...

Regarding customs checks, I heard that the Finnish customs can't take sniffer dogs to planes coming from AMS any more. Apparently the dogs used to go bonkers the minute doors were opened, so it was pretty much useless to try and single out 'passengers of interest'.

...and this topic is called 'Deported from Costa Rica' :D


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