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Internaut Dec 23, 2004 7:42 am


Originally Posted by alanw
I was out of clean clothes, coming down with a cold, and loaded down with a briefcase that contained TWO laptops and a projector, plus a heavy wool overcoat.

IMO there is nothing worse than having to run around airports than when ill so I wouldn't blame anyone for loosing it! Fortunately this has only happened to me a couple of times and because I was visibly ill I got special treatment (and space of my own on not very busy flights) from the gate agents and the FAs.

Doppy Dec 23, 2004 10:18 am


Originally Posted by stut
I do agree that the airport rarely rates highly among my 'best customer service experiences', even with fluent French.

And sometimes it helps pretending that you do not speak French very well, e.g. the Avis agent in CDG who wanted the names, addresses and phone numbers of friends/family in the US and France before he'd rent to me (because I guess a lot of preferred select Avis customers must steal cars) :rolleyes:

A little bit of ignoring and pretending not to understand is sometimes helpful. :)

dchristiva Dec 23, 2004 10:41 am


Originally Posted by alanw
Jan 2002, I was on a UA flight BOS-IAD to connect to an AS transcon back to SEA. I had three hours to wait in IAD, and had been travelling for about two weeks. I was out of clean clothes, coming down with a cold, and loaded down with a briefcase that contained TWO laptops and a projector, plus a heavy wool overcoat. Large rollaboard was checked through to SEA even though there were two seperate (E) tickets. I was very, very cranky.

We sat on the ground in BOS for three hours, no explanataion other than "mechanicl problem". I several times explained to FAs that I had a connecting flight in IAD and could they please try to help make sure I was able to get home? They showed a bit of concern but basically said, "you'll be fine, don't worry."

I ran off the plane when we got to IAD and ran as fast as I could to the AS flight's gate. This was a long distance, through the bloody pods twice, and arrived completely out of breath just as the AS flight had closed and the plane was backing away from the jetway. "PLEASE!" I bellowed at the person on the other side of the door. They just shook their head and gave me a "you shoulda been here" look.

I let loose with an F-word that I'm certain was heard throughout the concourse and flung my overloaded briefcase at the door with all my might. The sound of two laptop screens shattering, their chassis twisting, is not pleasant. Within 30 seconds, THREE IAD cops had surrounded me. To their credit they were polite and just wanted to make sure I wasn't a danger to myself or anyone else. Once they determined I wasn't, they wandered off, leaving me sitting in the middle of the departure area.

FWIW, the AS flight was an e-ticket and since they had closed the flight they also sent all their ticket agents home. UA told me if I had a paper ticket they would put me on one of their flights via ORD that night but with an e-ticket, I was SOL. Despite the valiant efforts of some NW agents who tried to fake-print me a ticket as a NW codeshare on the same flight (didn't work) I spent another 24 hours in IAD, another night at the dreary airport Hilton, and caught the next as flight back the following day at 5:30 PM.

I'm sympathetic about your difficulties. Your plight made for a good read, though! I can just picture the situation. Haven't we all been there at one time or another? No, screaming probably shouldn't work, but I've certainly felt the need a time or two.

fwfdan Dec 23, 2004 10:54 am


Originally Posted by alanw
Jan 2002, I was on a UA flight BOS-IAD to connect to an AS transcon back to SEA. I had three hours to wait in IAD, and had been travelling for about two weeks. I was out of clean clothes, coming down with a cold, and loaded down with a briefcase that contained TWO laptops and a projector, plus a heavy wool overcoat. Large rollaboard was checked through to SEA even though there were two seperate (E) tickets. I was very, very cranky.

We sat on the ground in BOS for three hours, no explanataion other than "mechanicl problem". I several times explained to FAs that I had a connecting flight in IAD and could they please try to help make sure I was able to get home? They showed a bit of concern but basically said, "you'll be fine, don't worry."

I ran off the plane when we got to IAD and ran as fast as I could to the AS flight's gate. This was a long distance, through the bloody pods twice, and arrived completely out of breath just as the AS flight had closed and the plane was backing away from the jetway. "PLEASE!" I bellowed at the person on the other side of the door. They just shook their head and gave me a "you shoulda been here" look.

I let loose with an F-word that I'm certain was heard throughout the concourse and flung my overloaded briefcase at the door with all my might. The sound of two laptop screens shattering, their chassis twisting, is not pleasant. Within 30 seconds, THREE IAD cops had surrounded me. To their credit they were polite and just wanted to make sure I wasn't a danger to myself or anyone else. Once they determined I wasn't, they wandered off, leaving me sitting in the middle of the departure area.

FWIW, the AS flight was an e-ticket and since they had closed the flight they also sent all their ticket agents home. UA told me if I had a paper ticket they would put me on one of their flights via ORD that night but with an e-ticket, I was SOL. Despite the valiant efforts of some NW agents who tried to fake-print me a ticket as a NW codeshare on the same flight (didn't work) I spent another 24 hours in IAD, another night at the dreary airport Hilton, and caught the next as flight back the following day at 5:30 PM.


Ok is it just me or is this totally out of line - disappointed, yes, mad, maybe, out of control - no. Breaking things and yelling is inappropriate after kindergarten.

Dodge DeBoulet Dec 23, 2004 11:20 am


Originally Posted by fwfdan
Ok is it just me or is this totally out of line - disappointed, yes, mad, maybe, out of control - no. Breaking things and yelling is inappropriate after kindergarten.

It's just you.

larsvance Dec 23, 2004 11:28 am

Screaming...
 
This topic looks almost beaten to death, but I've always found "screaming" to be a tool of the non resourceful. Generally, the goal is to get something, and generally screaming doesn't get you any closer to that goal. That doesn't mean you can't be pissed, or angry, but I've found every time I'm confronted with a situation that's not acceptable talking forcefully, but respectfully goes much further. Customer service people have no real motivation to listen to screamers. They are paid (generally poorly) to shuffle problems around. Many moons ago I worked in a customer service envirnoment and those that were polite were helped first, those who were respectful (if pissed) next, and those that were rude, disrespectful, or screaming were given whatever the opposite of help is. By screaming you are selling the idea that your problems are most important, that they are a lesser person than you (because they can't scream back). It may work once in awhile, but most people will just go out of their way to screw you over. I find it especially appalling when things like weather are taken out on GA's...

Kate_Canuck Dec 23, 2004 11:47 am

I haven't screamed at a gate agent, but my AC Elite boyfriend (now ex-boyfriend) twice got extremely mad at gate agents about problems I can't even recollect now. He didn't yell, but he was very mad, very obstinate and rather rude. We got upgraded; I cringed, but didn't turn down the seats. (I did break up with him soon afterwards - couldn't stand his temper.)

SchmeckFlyer Dec 23, 2004 12:37 pm


Originally Posted by ClueByFour
Government subsidized airlines can get away with that sort of thing.

The AF staff at CDG will do what you describe without having been screamed at (I've had it happen).

It really has nothing to do with government subsidies because 1) it a cultural difference, and 2) although governments may have stakes in airlines like any institutional investor, very few airlines in Europe receive subsisides. Gate agents' responsiveness to upgrade requests has nothing to do with free trade or government subsidies and so on and so forth.

I say this from the point of view of being an American/European citizen having living on both sides of the pond for large amounts of time.

But take the example of British Airways (a profitable airline completely owned by private investors). Yelling at one their staff members will usually land you with a nice conversation with the authorities rather than with an upgrade. Or at the very least being removed from the flight. There are signs everywhere in UK airports indicating that abusing staff, including verbally, is a punishable offence under the law. Screaming to get an upgrade that a passenger did not pay for certainly falls in that category.

I think there is also a rather big difference between the US and Europe in terms of perceptions of what customer service entails.

In the US, there seems a much greater culture of bowing to the wishes of customers, which includes the "customer is always right" mentality. That kind of attitude seems to allow passengers to think they are so important that everything must stop for them, or passengers who cannot restrain their tempers. But it also of course leads to passengers having their wishes fulfilled more often, more easily, in contrast to Europe. On the other hand, Europeans are much less likely to bow to customer wishes just because the customer wishes it. As such, customer service as American understand it is sometimes quite poor, especially in France (where even many Europeans think poorly of the French for their sometimes indifference towards customers). But sometimes a customer really needs to be told when something is not possible, or fulfilling their request simply is not justified or feasible (i.e. why should someone receive a free upgrade if they never paid for it?).

Take the upgrade and agent... in the US, an airline agent might try to work something out if possible (as has been my experience); sometimes it works, byt mostly not. I leave feeling happy the agent tried, but not offended if it deos not work out. An airline agent in Europe will be much quicker to inform a passenger that they are incorrect, that they cannot have an upgrade (asking a BA or KL agent for an upgrade will usually result in a response along the lines of "and how will you be intending to pay for this upgrade?"). I don't feel bad, because I never deserved the upgrade, and telling it straight never offended me.

So in the US, you often seem to find more receptive airline agents, but not necessarily more effective. In Europe, customer service may be more stiff, even bordering rudeness, but it is more to the point, and direct, and in that sense far more refreshing.

I hope that makes sense... not sure it does.

On the other hand, my Dutch mother has always been very persuasive when there is a problem with airlines. She never yells, but she is incredibly persistant, and will niggle and bother the airlines until they finally cave. She restrains herself to avoid being overtly rude or even abusive, but pushes as far as the airline is willing to go before they get pissed off... I am often embarressed by her, but impressed with the results.

I have only once yelled at a gate agent before because they were fabulously rude to me first without provacation, and I was having a fabulously bad day, so I lost it...

Doppy Dec 23, 2004 3:03 pm


Originally Posted by PorkRind
It's just you.

How many laptops have you broken? :)

Dodge DeBoulet Dec 23, 2004 3:42 pm


Originally Posted by Doppy
How many laptops have you broken? :)

None . . . of my own :D

hoyateach Dec 23, 2004 7:59 pm


Originally Posted by PorkRind
None . . . of my own :D

Dude, I hope you never end up working for me. :p


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