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Seat 2A Mar 10, 2015 7:25 pm

In my book trying to sneak into the next class or two up be stealing.

Would it bother me enough to notify the crew about it if I saw someone else doing it? Probably not - if the person were sitting quietly.

Would I do it myself?

No.

Tchiowa Mar 10, 2015 10:01 pm


Originally Posted by Seat 2A (Post 24487833)
In my book trying to sneak into the next class or two up be stealing.

Would it bother me enough to notify the crew about it if I saw someone else doing it? Probably not - if the person were sitting quietly.

Would I do it myself?

No.

I think I would mention it to the FA.

drewp123 Mar 11, 2015 10:59 pm

Was seated in a largely empty AA J flying ICN-DFW when a young lady sat down and began enjoying a PDB. Noticed she was nowhere to be found after take off. Can only assume she got the boot!

sethb Mar 17, 2015 11:38 pm


Originally Posted by Annalisa12 (Post 24487442)
Amazing that they could boot you out as you were enjoying a pre flight drink.

F on TATL is 5 figures. If a paying customer showed up with that sort of ticket, it makes perfect sense to tell an airline employee on a free ticket to move back.

jphripjah Mar 18, 2015 8:53 am

Just a few weeks ago I was on a flight, sitting in first class (3A). A guy comes on late, looks a little shady, plops down in 3B. Flight attendant comes by and asks us (mostly him) for boarding passes. I take out mine, it says 3A. He takes out his, and it says . . . 3A. Hmmm.

The flight attendant quickly noticed though that his boarding pass was for a prior flight on the same airline. She ask him for the rest of the boarding passes in his itinerary, and lo and behold, his boarding pass for this flight was for 25E or something.

The man apologized for his "confusion" and was ushered to the back of the plane.

Cassie55 Mar 19, 2015 3:10 pm


Originally Posted by sethb (Post 24524708)
F on TATL is 5 figures. If a paying customer showed up with that sort of ticket, it makes perfect sense to tell an airline employee on a free ticket to move back.

Absolutely. Airline staff know they're never safe until the door is closed.

HMPS Mar 19, 2015 3:19 pm


Originally Posted by jphripjah (Post 24526239)
Just a few weeks ago I was on a flight, sitting in first class (3A). A guy comes on late, looks a little shady, plops down in 3B. Flight attendant comes by and asks us (mostly him) for boarding passes. I take out mine, it says 3A. He takes out his, and it says . . . 3A. Hmmm.

The flight attendant quickly noticed though that his boarding pass was for a prior flight on the same airline. She ask him for the rest of the boarding passes in his itinerary, and lo and behold, his boarding pass for this flight was for 25E or something.

The man apologized for his "confusion" and was ushered to the back of the plane.

Now that was innovative !

airplanegod Mar 19, 2015 3:32 pm


Originally Posted by jphripjah (Post 24526239)
Just a few weeks ago I was on a flight, sitting in first class (3A). A guy comes on late, looks a little shady, plops down in 3B. Flight attendant comes by and asks us (mostly him) for boarding passes. I take out mine, it says 3A. He takes out his, and it says . . . 3A. Hmmm.

The flight attendant quickly noticed though that his boarding pass was for a prior flight on the same airline. She ask him for the rest of the boarding passes in his itinerary, and lo and behold, his boarding pass for this flight was for 25E or something.

The man apologized for his "confusion" and was ushered to the back of the plane.

That guy is smarter than the average bear...

sethb Mar 19, 2015 6:10 pm


Originally Posted by Cassie55 (Post 24534266)
Absolutely. Airline staff know they're never safe until the door is closed.

Not even then. I've seen doors re-opened.

go_around Mar 19, 2015 9:16 pm

Legalities
 
Whether this is stealing or not is going to depend on the jurisdiction. Another possibility is that this is fraud (which can also be a criminal act) or passing off. It could also be considered accepting the terms of the first / business class ticket and associated fare, and therefore incur contractual liability to pay up.

nrr Mar 19, 2015 9:35 pm


Originally Posted by go_around (Post 24535735)
Whether this is stealing or not is going to depend on the jurisdiction. Another possibility is that this is fraud (which can also be a criminal act) or passing off. It could also be considered accepting the terms of the first / business class ticket and associated fare, and therefore incur contractual liability to pay up.

Hypothetical, flight from LAX to Hawaii, pax moves into FC after the flight is 50 miles (over open water) from LAX, how is the jurisdiction determined?

sethb Mar 19, 2015 9:45 pm


Originally Posted by nrr (Post 24535784)
Hypothetical, flight from LAX to Hawaii, pax moves into FC after the flight is 50 miles (over open water) from LAX, how is the jurisdiction determined?

US. Flight lands at LAX, US police arrest pax.

Tchiowa Mar 20, 2015 1:02 am


Originally Posted by sethb (Post 24535819)
US. Flight lands at LAX, US police arrest pax.

I wonder if we could change that policy so that if it happened over water the FAs could simply open a door and let the passenger "get wet".

go_around Mar 20, 2015 5:18 am


Originally Posted by nrr (Post 24535784)
Hypothetical, flight from LAX to Hawaii, pax moves into FC after the flight is 50 miles (over open water) from LAX, how is the jurisdiction determined?

Yes, US. And the plane doesn't "lose" jurisdiction once it gets into international airspace. There are various rules governing this but at a minimum the country of registration of the aircraft can have jurisdiction.


Originally Posted by Tchiowa (Post 24536289)
I wonder if we could change that policy so that if it happened over water the FAs could simply open a door and let the passenger "get wet".

Had to laugh at this!

alanh Mar 20, 2015 8:52 pm

Is there a jurisdiction where this isn't a crime?

Over international waters, where the vessel is flagged is what dictates what laws apply. You can't kill someone just because there's no Republic of Pacific Ocean to charge you.


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