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EAJuggalo Mar 30, 2023 6:02 am

Quick rant about "preferred" seats.
 
Carrier agnostic and fly 4-5 RT per year, usually on OPM where I don't get a choice. On all three major US carriers in the last few months I've noticed that the depth of the "preferred" window and aisle seats has been going back further, as has the cost of those assignments. I booked a four segment DL itinerary last night and in order to not be in the last three available rows, it would cost me $100 to have a window or aisle. Moving up to C+ was $110. Same thing with AA, had to pay $29 OOP to select a "preferred" seat just so I didn't have a middle. I can somewhat understand the first couple rows, but when more than half of your Y seats are "preferred" are they really preferred or are they just not hated?

jrl767 Mar 30, 2023 8:37 am

imo just another way of "enhancing" each carrier's program for their members and elites by nickel-and-diming those without membership or status

it's a major downside of being a "free agent"

Mvlee Mar 30, 2023 9:55 am

I've noticed this as well with other airlines under star alliance & the other major airline carrier in CAN. It's not really preferred seating to me and just a squeeze to get an extra penny out of you for YOUR preferred seats.
I did notice it was also dependent on my ticket choice as well.

gaobest Mar 30, 2023 9:29 pm

If you don’t want to pay, maybe accepting and even embracing the middle seat is best. I love to think of the Seinfeld episode where Putty is sitting in a middle seat without needing a thing. Elaine asks if he wants a magazine, book, something and he simply responds that he’s fine. As we see, tons of people sit in the middle seat towards the back of the plane and they’re fine. When I fly with my family in Y I’ll take the middle seat instead of doing aisle-aisle-window. By taking the middle I’ll get to sit inbetween my spouse and child. My spouse and I can hold hands and my child can try to separate our hands which might mean that I’ll hold hands with my child and that’ll be pretty great for me.

chromag Apr 1, 2023 6:47 am

It started with charging for bulkhead and exit row seating. Now windows and aisles. I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing prices for the quieter areas of the cabin...

mlbcard Apr 1, 2023 7:28 pm

They will charge for everything that they can. I would much rather fares be higher than nickel and diming everywhere. Give it a few years and they'll start charging for seating at the gate.

StuckInYYZ Apr 1, 2023 8:07 pm


Originally Posted by EAJuggalo (Post 35129047)
Carrier agnostic and fly 4-5 RT per year, usually on OPM where I don't get a choice. On all three major US carriers in the last few months I've noticed that the depth of the "preferred" window and aisle seats has been going back further, as has the cost of those assignments. I booked a four segment DL itinerary last night and in order to not be in the last three available rows, it would cost me $100 to have a window or aisle. Moving up to C+ was $110. Same thing with AA, had to pay $29 OOP to select a "preferred" seat just so I didn't have a middle. I can somewhat understand the first couple rows, but when more than half of your Y seats are "preferred" are they really preferred or are they just not hated?

They aren't, but they will eventually start getting renamed "premium" and the whole cycle will start again. How to resolve this? Vote with your wallet. There will always be airlines who will see the benefits of not charging (as much) or offering something that the others do. Pick those airline(s) and promote those airlines where possible (eg, it doesn't really make sense to promote Jet Blue when you're at a United hub and don't have the breadth of destinations to go to).

moondog Apr 3, 2023 1:38 am

I'm somewhat disheartened by my observation that the masses are starting to regard the idea of paying to not get stuck in a middle as "normal".

Zeeb Apr 3, 2023 8:06 am


Originally Posted by jrl767 (Post 35129471)
imo just another way of "enhancing" each carrier's program for their members and elites by nickel-and-diming those without membership or status

it's a major downside of being a "free agent"

That's what I think is really going on here. They are reserving a big chunk of the non terrible seats for members of the carrier's frequent flyer program that buy tickets close up to the departure date. They aren't offering those buy up prices because they expect people to pay them (though I'm sure they are very happy if you do). They are using them to keep those seats empty without formally blocking them off.

pinniped Apr 3, 2023 12:59 pm

Wait until you hear about hotel "premium" upgrades where the only difference is "not next to the elevator or the ice machine."

OskiBear Apr 3, 2023 2:58 pm

With the constant devaluations of elite status at the major airlines, this is one place where they still throw us a bone - free seat selection and priority boarding. Depending on how much I fly, low-level elite status in a different alliance is still sometimes beneficial just for this reason.

mlbcard Apr 5, 2023 2:05 pm


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 35139276)
I'm somewhat disheartened by my observation that the masses are starting to regard the idea of paying not get stuck in a middle is "normal".

yup. After bag fees were accepted by everyone, the floodgates were opened. They will not stop until people refuse to pay extra for something that used to be free, but that’ll never happen. There will always be people who will pay extra for that minor convenience.

FindingFoodFluency Apr 5, 2023 7:37 pm


Originally Posted by pinniped (Post 35140724)
Wait until you hear about hotel "premium" upgrades where the only difference is "not next to the elevator or the ice machine."

​​​​​ I'm waiting for a resort fee that just means "room key included at no additional charge."

mtofell Apr 7, 2023 11:48 pm


Originally Posted by gaobest (Post 35131524)
I love to think of the Seinfeld episode where Putty is sitting in a middle seat without needing a thing. Elaine asks if he wants a magazine, book, something and he simply responds that he’s fine.

Alright, I'm going to challenge your Seinfeld recollection here :) :) In the episode you cite, Puddy (yep, it's Puddy NOT Putty) is in the aisle seat. Remember, he starts "making time with the floozy across the aisle" because he has to "get on with his life" while Elaine (in the middle seat) is talking to "Vegetable Lasagna??" :) :) Puddy starring into the back of the seat is 100% accurate.. but it's the back of the aisle seat. This is the trip "Backwards Episode" that is the India trip.


AllanJ Apr 8, 2023 12:57 pm

One airline, I forgot which, used to give coach middle seats a slight advantage without a different price. You boarded before those in coach aisle seats.


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