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Allanf Apr 15, 2020 6:57 am

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/undefinedWouldn’t it be great if congress mandated humane seat width and seat pitch as a requirement for government subsidization. Maybe the silver lining will be reduced seat density offset by increase in ticket prices. Not sure about the math but 1/3 more seat room offset by 1/3 higher ticket prices, or whatever the ratio should be, seems reasonable to me.

AllanJ Apr 15, 2020 8:56 am

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/undefinedIf they could invent a face mask allowing social distancing down to two feet then we could kill many birds with one stone.

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/undefinedThen we eliminate middle seat bookings except for family members filling a row. Eliminate recline (to keep pax' heads spaced evenly!).
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/undefined1. Substantial passenger loads can be sustained.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/undefined2. No more arm rest fights.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/undefined3. No more passenger of size conflicts.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/undefined4. No more need to gate check carryons.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/undefined5. Unfortunately it would be necessary to resort to astronaut style food, like instant breakfast and soda straws.

cmd320 Apr 15, 2020 9:10 am


Originally Posted by AllanJ (Post 32295504)
Eliminate recline (to keep pax' heads spaced evenly!).

In what world do seats recline enough for there to be any perceivable benefit to this?

dmnsctt Apr 15, 2020 1:31 pm

They just have to give everyone face masks and a few sets of disposable gloves. Keep them on at all times except for eating. Maybe stagger the meal service on longer flights over a longer period of time so everyone's mask isn't off at the same time. Have lots of wet wipes/clorox wipes available.

For mass transit it will be about reducing risk as much as possible without bankrupting the provider (in this case, airlines). You take your chances if you fly. It's going to be this way anyway for the next 18 months or so after shelter in place restrictions are gradually lifted. Those most at risk will have to be more cautious. The rest of us will have to do what we can while at the same time allowing some sort of normality to return.

This disease is highly infectious and contagious, so the shelter in place precautions at the moment are saving lives. If it was left to run rampant we'd have bodies piled up more than we have already. The comment a few up about the death rate from flu being the same just isn't an accurate statement at this time. If we let it go, a lot more people would have died vs the common seasonal flu.

AllanJ Apr 15, 2020 7:12 pm

One advantage of mandating things like blocking the middle seats is that it would level the playing field for social distancing for all airines. Companies would no longer be able to expect that their employees on business trips choose a less expensive flight with less social distancing compared with a more expensive flight with more social distancing.

ft101 Apr 15, 2020 8:47 pm


Originally Posted by Allanf (Post 32295182)
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/undefinedWouldn’t it be great if congress mandated humane seat width and seat pitch as a requirement for government subsidization. Maybe the silver lining will be reduced seat density offset by increase in ticket prices. Not sure about the math but 1/3 more seat room offset by 1/3 higher ticket prices, or whatever the ratio should be, seems reasonable to me.

Rightly or wrongly, most of the travelling public chose on price alone so it's unlikely to happen.

Super Mario Apr 17, 2020 8:50 am

Here's a question for everyone who takes everything "social distancing" as bible. Would you take a plane ride with someone who knowingly has it, but is 6 feet away? All of your slowing the spread and flattening the curve are all useful for the big picture. Be reasonable about your reality though.

CarolynUK Apr 17, 2020 10:05 am

UK budget airline EasyJet has announced that when it resumes services, they will initially be blocking the middle seats on their flights.

ft101 Apr 17, 2020 8:38 pm


Originally Posted by CarolynUK (Post 32301518)
UK budget airline EasyJet has announced that when it resumes services, they will initially be blocking the middle seats on their flights.


The airline said the possible move was still under discussion. "Nothing is decided," the spokesperson said.
https://edition.cnn.com/travel/artic...eat/index.html

nd2010 Apr 18, 2020 12:46 am

I wouldn't mind if the middle seats were blocked off permanently. The airlines would have to fly more planes to serve the demand when it goes back to normal in a year

AllanJ Apr 21, 2020 1:33 pm


Originally Posted by ft101 (Post 32297410)
Rightly or wrongly, most of the traveling public chose on price alone so it's unlikely to happen.

This includes most companies, which pay for employee business trips only for the cheapest air fare.

sethb May 6, 2020 11:45 pm


Originally Posted by Often1 (Post 32258987)
The premise of this thread is that someone read a post on some other website in which some person said that something might happen. It's just another post with no factual basis whatsoever.

Even if carriers do implement some form of distancing for a short period of time, there is no reason to remove seats in order to do that and then restore those seats when this is over. Moreover, as pointed out, these distancing efforts do not even meet minimum guidelines so are just a sop to make people feel better about flying when the real answer is that they should not fly at all.

If the cost of removing, storing, and replacing seats is less than the cost of the fuel saved flying them around, then airlines will remove them. Given current fuel prices, that's unlikely.

sethb May 6, 2020 11:49 pm


Originally Posted by ZZYZXROAD (Post 32282493)
Way off? The reason I mentioned remove the seat was to ensure no one can sit in it.

Looks like they are blacking them out. If they don't remove them will they tarp them over to make sure? They are going to have to police it if they leave them in, right?

Why would they want to prevent me from sitting next to my wife?

sethb May 7, 2020 12:01 am


Originally Posted by CEB (Post 32292975)
But if people stop to look at the DATA and ignore the EMOTION, you will see that since January, here in the USA, 5 times as many people have died of common influenza (the flu) than have died of SARS-COV-2.

The CDC estimates that in the entire flu season (from October 1 though April 4) there were 24,000 - 62,000 flu deaths. As of yesterday, there were more than that coronavirus deaths, and the number of the latter is still increasing (estimated to hit 3,000/day by the end of May, and that doesn't take into account all the idiots who are breaking or ending quarantines).


The New York Times is a serious culprit here where they published a manipulated and patently false report, since promulgated across the world, that the common flu only kills less than 0.1 % of those who get it. They took the LOWEST reported death rate in the US from the flu (12,000 in the 2011-2012 flu season) and divided it by the HIGHEST reported flu infection rate (45,000,000 in the 2017-2018 flu season).
12,000 / 45,000,000 = 0.0267%

Estimates for this year are 39 million - 56 million illnesses, 24,000 - 62,000 flu deaths. At the low end for both, that's 0.0615%. At the high end for both, that's 1.1%. At the middle of the range for both, that's 0.09%. I'd say the New York Times numbers are quite reasonable, a lot better than your "five times" claim.


Reality is that the death rate from the common flu hovers between 0.9 and 1.2 % on a year to year basis (according to CDC data) which is approximately the same as SARS-COV-2.
Based on resolved cases, SARS-COV-2 is a lot more deadly.


Those who have taken these draconian military law measures will certainly say, 'look how many lives we saved.' But the reality is that they will have saved exactly zero lives. In the end, most of the people who would get SARS-COV-2 will still get it at some point in the next year or so. And those who will die form it will do so.
It's not like the extra time before someone catches it might mean a better treatment is available, or that the slowing down of infections means hospitals won't get overloaded. Not at all. /sarcasm


As MiamiAirport said, the misery index from these government actions (combined with public ignorance and media irresponsibility) already far outweighs the impact of SARS-COV-2.
What counts is the cost of the cases of SARS-COV-2 that were avoided due to the action.

ft101 May 7, 2020 8:16 pm


Originally Posted by sethb (Post 32355030)
If the cost of removing, storing, and replacing seats is less than the cost of the fuel saved flying them around, then airlines will remove them. Given current fuel prices, that's unlikely.

In general, seats don't come out as singles. They're manufactured and fitted in pairs, triples, quadruples etc. To remove middle seats airlines would require manufacturers to start from scratch and design and qualify new individual seats which is not a short term project and unlikely to happen given what we currently know about Covid.


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