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Old Sep 20, 2018, 3:31 am
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US S.1814, “airline passenger bill of rights”, would require the airline to give cash

The Bill or Rights allows the customer to receive cash for vouchers, if requested!
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Old Sep 20, 2018, 3:50 am
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Don't think the constitution was intended to regulate air travel...
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Old Sep 20, 2018, 7:27 am
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Don't think the constitution was intended to regulate air travel...
S.1418 — 115th Congress (2017-2018)

(a) Short Title.—This Act may be cited as the “Airline Passengers' Bill of Rights”.
It's not law, so the OP may be referring informally to other DOT regs.
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Old Sep 20, 2018, 7:28 am
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Originally Posted by deeruck
S.1418 — 115th Congress (2017-2018)



It's not law, so the OP may be referring informally to other DOT regs.
Interesting that they'd call it the bill of rights...
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Old Sep 20, 2018, 7:35 am
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We could encourage the OP to come back and be more descriptive.

S.1418 was referred to committee. It is not law - and is along way from becoming law.
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Old Sep 20, 2018, 7:42 am
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Originally Posted by skywardhunter
Interesting that they'd call it the bill of rights...
This is America. Who'd want to vote against a "Bill of Rights"?

There's nothing in this Bill (the way it's written) that allows for cash for vouchers.
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Old Sep 20, 2018, 8:00 am
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Originally Posted by skywardhunter
Interesting that they'd call it the bill of rights...
Why not? Most states have a "Crime Victim's Bill of Rights," others have a "Prisoner's Bill of Rights," there's a federal "GI Bill of Rights," and I could probably come up with a lot more if I felt like putting some thought into it.
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Old Sep 20, 2018, 9:22 am
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As this is much broader than a specific airline or its FFP, we will move this for broader discussion.

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Old Sep 20, 2018, 9:34 am
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Just to be clear, this proposed legislation was introduced by one Senator in June 2017. There is one entry in the calendar for the legislation. It is the same entry made for every piece of proposed legislation offered by any Senator (and a similar type of entry exists in the House). It will die when the Senate recesses for the Term sometime in December.

"June 2017 - Read twice and referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation.
Action By: Senate"


There are thousands of pieces of legislation proposed every year. The vast, vast, vast majority die with the same kind of entry. No co-sponsors, no hearings. But, the sponsor does get to issue a press release.

I'm not sure why OP is posting something today which happened in June 2017.

BTW - The sponsor may call the proposed legislation anything he wants to call it, so long as it is not obscene or disrespectful of another Member. It's not remotely worth worrying about what proposed legislation is called. The debate here about it isn't either.

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Old Sep 20, 2018, 1:27 pm
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Originally Posted by skywardhunter
Don't think the constitution was intended to regulate air travel...
I can't tell if you're being serious or snarky, but most domestic air travel literally meets the definition of "interstate commerce", which the Constitution very much intended Congress to regulate. I guess flights that operate wholly within one state could be exempted......
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Old Sep 20, 2018, 3:41 pm
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Originally Posted by wetrat0
I can't tell if you're being serious or snarky, but most domestic air travel literally meets the definition of "interstate commerce", which the Constitution very much intended Congress to regulate. I guess flights that operate wholly within one state could be exempted......
Yeah, congress, the constitution itself doesn't say "Compensation vouchers shall be redeemable for cash at the customer's request, here henceforth and into forever."
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Old Sep 20, 2018, 3:49 pm
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Originally Posted by skywardhunter
Yeah, congress, the constitution itself doesn't say "Compensation vouchers shall be redeemable for cash at the customer's request, here henceforth and into forever."
Since the Constitution gives Congress the right to regulate interstate commerce, it can pass any laws it wants for that purpose.

That's how the Constitution works: it is a framework within which government operates. It does not, in most cases, flesh out all the details. As long as what a governmental agency does fits within that framework, as a law to regulate a specific aspect of interstate commerce clearly does, the fact that a particular detail is not in the Constitution is not a problem. One would not expect to find details there, though in some cases (such as the requirement that the President be at least 35 years old) they are present.

If this discussion continues, I see this thread being sent to OMNI/PR rather quickly - so I will not bother to correct any more misunderstandings of how constitutional government is supposed to work, no matter how absurd they are.
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Old Sep 20, 2018, 4:26 pm
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I'll have to read the bill text later but does anyone know offhand how similar the protections mentioned in this bill would be to EU's 261/2004?
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Old Sep 20, 2018, 4:37 pm
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Originally Posted by wetrat0
I can't tell if you're being serious or snarky, but most domestic air travel literally meets the definition of "interstate commerce", which the Constitution very much intended Congress to regulate. I guess flights that operate wholly within one state could be exempted......

No, the state thing got squashed hard by guns. SC has several gun manufacturers and the state legislature tried to say if it is made in SC and sold in SC it isn't part of interstate commerce and full auto is legal and NFA doesn't apply.

That didn't get very far as they said it applies to the company not the item, so if the company sells interstate, then all items it sells fall under interstate commerce.
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Old Sep 20, 2018, 5:24 pm
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Originally Posted by Efrem
Since the Constitution gives Congress the right to regulate interstate commerce, it can pass any laws it wants for that purpose.

That's how the Constitution works: it is a framework within which government operates. It does not, in most cases, flesh out all the details. As long as what a governmental agency does fits within that framework, as a law to regulate a specific aspect of interstate commerce clearly does, the fact that a particular detail is not in the Constitution is not a problem. One would not expect to find details there, though in some cases (such as the requirement that the President be at least 35 years old) they are present.

If this discussion continues, I see this thread being sent to OMNI/PR rather quickly - so I will not bother to correct any more misunderstandings of how constitutional government is supposed to work, no matter how absurd they are.
I understand how the legal framework functions, but the OP literally said

The Bill or Rights allows the customer to receive cash for vouchers, if requested
implying it was in the bill of rights itself - obviously we now know this doesn't refer to the bill of rights that is a part of the constitution (or amended to it or whatever, while I saw it in the museum in DC I'm not from the US so I've not learn all about it in high school)
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