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username Apr 7, 2018 1:43 pm

Jerks who are stupid is a deadly combination. I think people just don't understand the risk of these stupid behavior and why the rules are in place. The airlines really don't explain and enforce.

Maybe 2 years ago, I was at an exit row. The guy at the window seat had his device plugged in during takeoff. The FA made him unplug it. He did it again during landing and the FA did not see it. I asked him to unplug it. He would not. I told him "if you want me to push the FA button and cause a go-around" then I will do it. Only then, he unplugged.

Most FAs also want to avoid conflicts and don't take these things seriously. How much extra time does it take to check the exit row a little more carefully and enforce these rules?

FlyingNone Apr 7, 2018 1:44 pm


Originally Posted by tuolumne (Post 29613665)
Last month LH LHR-MUC.

Purser asks woman in front of me to please put back her fully reclined seat before pushback.

Purser leaves, seat immediately goes back.

I was going to let it go, but purser returned a few minutes later, and this time didn’t use words - she immediately reached over to the recline button with one hand, and pushed the seat back up with the other.

Passenger did not move seat after that.

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Why do people have to be so obstinate, stubborn, rebellious ???? These are the same morons who complain about all the reasons they hate the airlines, were treated "rudely", etc.

docbert Apr 7, 2018 1:54 pm


Originally Posted by Often1 (Post 29613602)
OP should have hit the FA call button. Engaging a stranger is a risky proposition and it's not one passenger's job to enforce the rules.

Whilst I agree with this in general, it would need to be done earlier than the OP did in this case. San Mateo bridge is about 2 minutes from touchdown - hitting the call button at that point will almost certainly garner no response. Repeatedly hitting it might, but could potentially trigger a go-around.

cfischer Apr 7, 2018 2:02 pm


Originally Posted by Kmxu (Post 29613442)
Ringing the call button is the best solution without talking to your neighbor. Good job, nevertheless.

I had a similar issue BOS-EWR the other day and offered an option that he either put it away or I would ring the call button. Yep, that worked ... he was pissed ... not my problem ;)

Ocn Vw 1K Apr 7, 2018 2:16 pm

Moderator note.
 
Please follow as the thread moves to the TravelBuzz forum. Although OP's incident happened on a UA flight, the topic is not UA specific and other posts relate this and similar incidents on non-UA flights. Ocn Vw 1K, Moderator, United.

Ryanardo_daVinci Apr 7, 2018 3:24 pm


Originally Posted by travelfly (Post 29613387)
Either you put it away or I am going to help you"

+1 :-)

I think I’ve said exactly this before in the same situation.

FTA Apr 7, 2018 8:04 pm


Originally Posted by onthesam (Post 29613830)
There's FAA guidance and NTSB rules. Per FAA Row-to Row Head Injury Criterion (HIC):

Seems like this is for occupied seats

onthesam Apr 7, 2018 10:06 pm


Originally Posted by FTA (Post 29614681)
Seems like this is for occupied seats

Nope. The seats work together as a unit as part of the 'Family of Seats' principle. Your face bashes into the seat in front of you, regardless of whether it is occupied or not. I don't want to get too far into the weeds here on FT. There's a lot of material out there on the subject -- you can start with Appendix 3 to AC No: 25.562-1B

FTA Apr 7, 2018 10:27 pm


Originally Posted by onthesam (Post 29614907)
Nope. The seats work together as a unit as part of the 'Family of Seats' principle. Your face bashes into the seat in front of you, regardless of whether it is occupied or not.

An unoccupied seat has no face to bash into anything

jashsu Apr 8, 2018 2:26 am


Originally Posted by riphamilton (Post 29613413)
but kudos for being direct and not passive aggressive.

A FA has the legal authority to give orders to a pax, another pax does not.

WorldLux Apr 8, 2018 3:02 am


Originally Posted by LASUA1K (Post 29613580)
I was once on ORD-CLE and the guy in front refuse to put his seat back up. The guy next to me pushes his seat up during landing. The guy in the front of me sucker punched my seat mate and ran into a cab and tookoff.

:confused: How does that work? Most airlines have seat assignments making it particularly easy to track down a passenger.

Steve Weagant Apr 8, 2018 7:50 am

I was guilty last week of not paying attention to instructions to put seat up?
 
I was a sleeping with noise canceling headphones. I vaguely recall the first direction. I think I fell back to sleep. Next time the FA touched me on the shoulder and firmly instructed me to put the seat up. I did immediately. I felt she handled it appropriately and I felt bad for putting her in that position. I would have apologized if she had been at the front on the way out.

Their jobs are hard enough with out having to deal with stubborn people.

LarryJ Apr 8, 2018 8:16 am


Originally Posted by FTA (Post 29614930)
An unoccupied seat has no face to bash into anything

That assumes straight-line descelleration. Any side-loading would cause a passenger's unrestrained upper-body to angle left or right as it moves forward.

At the end of a red-eye flight I once saw the F/A wake an economy passenger who was laying down across his three-seat row. He sat up, looked around for a moment, then laid back down. The F/A returns a minute or two later and wakes him up again telling him that he has to sit up for landing. He replied, "I already did!"

1P Apr 8, 2018 8:35 am

Deployed tray tables can snap off more easily than when they are stowed. The same is true of head rests. Seats are less susceptible to break up when they are in the fully upright position, since reclined seats are less structurally integrated. Laptops flying around the cabin is the last thing anyone wants in the event of an incident.

It's all common sense, really.

Whowouldanewman Apr 8, 2018 9:37 am


Originally Posted by jashsu (Post 29615250)
A FA has the legal authority to give orders to a pax, another pax does not.

That doesn’t prevent a pax from attempting to deal with the situation themselves before ringing a FA.


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