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dulciusexasperis Apr 28, 2018 10:49 am


Originally Posted by Proudelitist (Post 29690148)
Refusing cash is a good way to keep the riff raff out. People who don't have credit cards or even debit cards are higher risk people.

I remember being in a terrible hotel years ago. It was the "Tulsa Select" hotel in Tulsa. They had a sign at the front desk: "Cash payments not accepted from Tulsa residents".

The reason is that prostitutes, drug dealers, junkies and criminals in general use cash only. By requiring them to use a CC or debit card, you are requiring them to leave a record of their identity and of their stay. This means the hotel won't turn as easily into a seedy base of operations for low-lifes.

That's hilarious. I happen to have a Brother who prefers to deal in cash. Riff raff that you imply he must be, he peels $1000 bills off a roll with regularity. The only 'higher risk' I see him posing vs. you with a credit card in a hotel Proudelitist, is that you could get run over by staff in their rush to serve my Brother.

As for your Tulsa example, any hotel with such a sign for such a purpose, is not a hotel I would be staying in with cash or with credit cards.

tmiw Apr 28, 2018 10:50 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 29693205)
Wishful thinking above, aimed for an audience susceptible to paranoia and morality policing.

The fact is that all those questionable type of characters mentioned above can readily buy prepaid debit cards at stores or even self-service standalone kiosks. A record of their identity can be the same whether they are using cash or a bank card of sorts. Prepaid debit cards are issued by banks too.

And the fact is that prostitutes, drug dealers, junkies and criminals use credit cards too.

I thought prepaid debit cards had some restrictions around pre-authorizations (which is what most hotels do on check-in)? You'd need to use an actual debit or credit card, which as you mention, a lot of people have.

kubrick Apr 28, 2018 11:02 am

In most cases, I don't mind hotels going cashless. I'm more annoyed by the time I tried to spend the remaining amount of my foreign currency to pay for lounge access, only to be told that they only accept card payment.

mmff Apr 30, 2018 4:06 am


Originally Posted by ft101 (Post 29480470)
I thought you would have learned from your previous thread that these sites aren't necessarily bad. In a lot of cases they have clear advantages.


Originally Posted by CPRich (Post 29480793)
Did you wake up on the "I am God" side of the bed today?

btw, it's 74% of transactions. You're entitled to you own opinion but not your own facts.

Don't feed...


Originally Posted by pinniped (Post 29493047)
I love the conspiracy/post-apocalyptic vibe of this thread. :D

Forget about paying in cash: I want my hotel brand to accept ammo, whiskey, and fresh game as payment.

+1 :D

:D! Apr 30, 2018 5:09 am


Originally Posted by dulciusexasperis (Post 29693315)
he peels $1000 bills off a roll with regularity.

$1000 bills? Which currency are we talking about?

GUWonder Apr 30, 2018 7:50 am


Originally Posted by :D! (Post 29698500)
$1000 bills? Which currency are we talking about?

S$1000 or a typo when it should have been 100?

dulciusexasperis Apr 30, 2018 9:53 am

It's always amusing when people think everyone else is coming from the same background as themselves. No the $1000 was not a typo, Although to be fair, the Canadian $1000 bill is now being phased out, so he will have to carry more $500 bills. For everyday walking around money, $100s and $50s come in handy. Anything else is, 'keep the change'. After all, how much change can there be from a $50 if you have lunch in a decent restaurant.

If you take 5 friends to dinner in a good downtown Toronto restaurant, how much change do you think you get from $1000 if you have a couple of bottles of decent wine? Answer, not much.

GUWonder May 1, 2018 12:33 am


Originally Posted by dulciusexasperis (Post 29699343)
It's always amusing when people think everyone else is coming from the same background as themselves. No the $1000 was not a typo, Although to be fair, the Canadian $1000 bill is now being phased out, so he will have to carry more $500 bills. For everyday walking around money, $100s and $50s come in handy. Anything else is, 'keep the change'. After all, how much change can there be from a $50 if you have lunch in a decent restaurant.

If you take 5 friends to dinner in a good downtown Toronto restaurant, how much change do you think you get from $1000 if you have a couple of bottles of decent wine? Answer, not much.

Wasn’t the Canadian $1000 note pulled around the year 2000?

Amelorn May 1, 2018 5:21 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 29701944)


Wasn’t the Canadian $1000 note pulled around the year 2000?

$1000 note withdrawal

Yes, but existing notes are still legal tender. That time is very limited, though.

kubrick May 1, 2018 7:38 am


Originally Posted by :D! (Post 29698500)
$1000 bills? Which currency are we talking about?

Zimbabwean Dollar

dulciusexasperis May 1, 2018 8:52 am

There is still $735 million in $1000 bills in circulation. It takes quite a while from when they stop producing new bills to when all existing bills disappear from circulation.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/bank...bill-1.4554758

ROCAT May 7, 2018 8:15 am


Originally Posted by :D! (Post 29698500)
$1000 bills? Which currency are we talking about?

VND, it is nice to be a millionaire for a few days.

dulciusexasperis May 7, 2018 9:43 am

Actually, it's even nicer to be a millionaire on all days ROCAT.

Like I said, It's always amusing when people think everyone else is coming from the same background as themselves.

simpleflyer May 7, 2018 3:28 pm


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 29499363)


Governments and others spying upon targets (i.e., individuals, groups, communities, a country) via electronics financial transactions isn’t post-apocalyptic nor a conspiracy theory.

Governments and others trying to control people via cutting off a target’s electronic financial transactions is also neither post-apocalyptic nor a conspiracy theory.

An economic hit or other economic-related problems due to being cut off from electronic financial transactions is also neither post-apocalyptic nor a conspiracy theory.

Governments and others spying upon targets (i.e., individuals, groups, communities, a country) via loyalty program transactions isn’t post-apocalyptic nor a conspiracy theory; but targets being controlled or otherwise restricted via loyalty program points isn’t as easily and broadly effective as targets being cut off from electronic financial transaction facilities.

But since this is about hotels going cashless, one of the implications of hotels going cashless is that it may become harder to get all the hotel points for at-property spend than used to be the case. Note that for some hotels, hotels going cashless may mean that hotel restaurant meals and some other on-site services previously chargeable to the guest room may no longer be added to the hotel room folio. And yes, I would want those transactions to still as easily result in hotel points for me as they used to do before some of these properties went cash-less.

I must be seriously stupid, because I don't understand how going cashless means, or could mean, the hotel not allowing meals etc to be charged to the room. If anything going cashless would in my view make it more likely the hotel permitts such charging. I realize my failure to understand is on me, but I do, indeed, fail to understand.

simpleflyer May 7, 2018 3:30 pm

Just thought, I'd like to see any of these hotel chains try to go cashless in Japan. Add sushi to the live game being accepted as payment...

cbn42 May 7, 2018 3:46 pm


Originally Posted by dulciusexasperis (Post 29699343)
It's always amusing when people think everyone else is coming from the same background as themselves. No the $1000 was not a typo, Although to be fair, the Canadian $1000 bill is now being phased out, so he will have to carry more $500 bills. For everyday walking around money, $100s and $50s come in handy. Anything else is, 'keep the change'. After all, how much change can there be from a $50 if you have lunch in a decent restaurant.

If you take 5 friends to dinner in a good downtown Toronto restaurant, how much change do you think you get from $1000 if you have a couple of bottles of decent wine? Answer, not much.

#humblebrag

ROCAT May 7, 2018 5:45 pm


Originally Posted by simpleflyer (Post 29726926)
Just thought, I'd like to see any of these hotel chains try to go cashless in Japan. Add sushi to the live game being accepted as payment...

If they went cashless you would end up paying with a Suica card, which would need to be topped up with cash.

GUWonder May 7, 2018 9:54 pm


Originally Posted by simpleflyer (Post 29726913)
I must be seriously stupid, because I don't understand how going cashless means, or could mean, the hotel not allowing meals etc to be charged to the room. If anything going cashless would in my view make it more likely the hotel permitts such charging. I realize my failure to understand is on me, but I do, indeed, fail to understand.

It has meant that (ie must pay at restaurant and no longer being able to charge meals to room) at some hotels, surprised me as it has too.

The move to cashless status for hotels has sometimes resulted in some hotel restaurants no longer accepting billing the restaurant charges to the room; but I haven’t received a confirmed, consistent explanation of why it has resulted in that in some hotels that went cashless. And it’s even more perplexing given it has not resulted in that at all hotels that went cashless (even if looking at one hotel brand with multiple properties in a single market). One hotel restaurant had staff that even told me this was an “experiment”, but some prior explanations from the same hotel restaurant indicated, for example, IT system/communication-related limitations.

invisible May 7, 2018 9:57 pm


Originally Posted by :D! (Post 29698500)
$1000 bills? Which currency are we talking about?

$500, $1000, $5000 and $10000 US currency notes are legal tender. However, if you plan to use them to pay your hotel bill, could you please give me a note, I'd be happy to exchange them to crisp, new $100 notes and take you (very old) currency notes away.

invisible May 7, 2018 10:04 pm


Originally Posted by ROCAT (Post 29727335)
If they went cashless you would end up paying with a Suica card, which would need to be topped up with cash.

Incorrect. You can have electronic Suica card topped up with a credit card using Apple Pay. And if you have a one particular credit card issued by Citibank Singapore, when using Apple Pay until end of July this year you will earn 8 miles per SGD $1 spend.

GUWonder May 7, 2018 10:05 pm


Originally Posted by invisible (Post 29727975)
$500, $1000, $5000 and $10000 US currency notes are legal tender. However, if you plan to use them to pay your hotel bill, could you please give me a note, I'd be happy to exchange them to crisp, new $100 notes and take you (very old) currency notes away.

... or better yet: take the no-longer issued general circulation notes, pay the hotel bill with a points-earning/cash-back card and return the change in still-issued, general circulation cash and coin with face values of $100 or less.

Kevin AA May 10, 2018 3:10 pm


Originally Posted by simpleflyer (Post 29726913)
I must be seriously stupid, because I don't understand how going cashless means, or could mean, the hotel not allowing meals etc to be charged to the room. If anything going cashless would in my view make it more likely the hotel permitts such charging. I realize my failure to understand is on me, but I do, indeed, fail to understand.

If they're going to have a stupid policy (cashless), may as well make it more stupid (must charge the meal separately). :rolleyes:

What is the point of removing a payment option? :td:


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