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kobolcs Dec 19, 2017 8:06 am

Horizontally challenged
 
I did a research on searchguru about seat widths in business class ( economy class is no question already booking I am already booking 2 seats, if I have luck, armrests are movable, and the seats are conjoined);
Large meaning tall people have their emergency seat, and seat pitch in some business class are nice for them, but what we horizontally challenged people who loves flying are in . Even a simple return flight is a problem, award booking requires luck on Gods level.
Second what I see based on seatguru only 10 Airlines has at least 26" in business class, and a surprise 4 of them are Chinese (CZ,CI,BR,MF), 3 european(SU,IB,BA), 1 singaporean (SQ),korean(OZ),african(KQ) and 0 US. Is that record right a measure between inner sides of armrests? Where are big US/EU airlines ? Only United is the with their short haul embraer with 24". I would expected more wider seats in US.
May I deny the flight and get back money or rebook on a more suitable flight when I cant fit into in business class seat?
Last time this happened to me I was downgraded to economy with a whole row without any service with no compensation. I dont think its right.
In Europe I travel now with high speed trains, but also on those are changing to crappy airline economy budget seats, so I must travel overnight

84fiero Dec 19, 2017 12:46 pm

It's a little unclear, but are you asking if you can cancel the ticket and get a refund if, upon boarding the flight, you find at that point that the seat won't accommodate you?

Also, you mention 26" seat width - is that the minimum you require or are you just noting the widest seat dimensions you could find?

pinniped Dec 19, 2017 2:35 pm

I would get the United 24" E-175 seat independently confirmed. I was posting elsewhere today that the E-175 is a fantastic short-haul airplane, in part because the 1x2 config in F is quite roomy. But that's 3-4" wider than most F seats on E-175's on other airlines, or 9 to 12 inches of total aisle space unless United has some unusually slim seat design (in terms of the total width of the entire seat for a given amount of actual buttspace). In other words, I immediately wonder if Seatguru has it wrong.

sbm12 Dec 19, 2017 8:23 pm

Seatguru data is wrong often enough to require great skepticism.

Also, there isn't a good industry standard for seat width the way there is for pitch.

84fiero Dec 19, 2017 8:51 pm

UA's site claims 20" on the E-175 and 24" on the E-170. 24" seems hard to believe.

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/con...5/default.aspx

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/con...0/default.aspx

GadgetFreak Dec 19, 2017 9:34 pm


Originally Posted by pinniped (Post 29194168)
I would get the United 24" E-175 seat independently confirmed. I was posting elsewhere today that the E-175 is a fantastic short-haul airplane, in part because the 1x2 config in F is quite roomy. But that's 3-4" wider than most F seats on E-175's on other airlines, or 9 to 12 inches of total aisle space unless United has some unusually slim seat design (in terms of the total width of the entire seat for a given amount of actual buttspace). In other words, I immediately wonder if Seatguru has it wrong.

I completely agree. AA has the same configuration in their E175s and are 3 or 4 inches narrower in first according to seat guru. Also, according to SeatGuru United Polaris First on a 744 or 777 is 22 inches wide. I’m really skeptical of the 24 inch SeatGuru number on E175s.

kobolcs Dec 19, 2017 11:30 pm


Originally Posted by 84fiero (Post 29193654)
It's a little unclear, but are you asking if you can cancel the ticket and get a refund if, upon boarding the flight, you find at that point that the seat won't accommodate you?

Also, you mention 26" seat width - is that the minimum you require or are you just noting the widest seat dimensions you could find?

is my minimum requirement to travel as human if I pay 2-3k€ for a ticket in advance purchase.
I can squeeze into 22" but that's not comfortable (over 4-5 hours), 24" is doable , but 26" or more is ideal for long-haul.
Sadly I can't travel everywhere with Singapore Airlines they have my dream seats (on long-hauls), and VIE is not served by them so I must travel by train either to FRA/ZRH/MXP

kobolcs Dec 19, 2017 11:41 pm


Originally Posted by GadgetFreak (Post 29195539)


I completely agree. AA has the same configuration in their E175s and are 3 or 4 inches narrower in first according to seat guru. Also, according to SeatGuru United Polaris First on a 744 or 777 is 22 inches wide. I’m really skeptical of the 24 inch SeatGuru number on E175s.



I am skeptical about all seat width datas on the internet, if I didn't tried it before. That why ask here.
My longhaul C experience is mainly SQ(many), EK(medium hauls via DXB), TK (IST-SIN), but now I am planning to see US and Caribics , I can get to NYC on SQ without detour via SIN, but from there I dont see any options, maybe somebodz more experienced can help, otherwise I have to choose a cruise ship TATL+Caribics, which is too much time and money

kobolcs Dec 20, 2017 12:01 am


Originally Posted by 84fiero (Post 29193654)
It's a little unclear, but are you asking if you can cancel the ticket and get a refund if, upon boarding the flight, you find at that point that the seat won't accommodate you?

Also, you mention 26" seat width - is that the minimum you require or are you just noting the widest seat dimensions you could find?

Yes, if they can't accomodate me safely (I can't sit down/squeeze in C class) or downgrade me because of my size am I entitled to deny boarding and refund /compensation for downgrade. I don't know if is there some legal act for non-US disabled people

DragonSoul Dec 20, 2017 2:26 am

Can't you check with the airline(s) first?

ibrandsguest Dec 20, 2017 3:42 am

Those of us who aren’t “horizontally challenged” don’t simply have our size handed to us.

i work out for an hour a day from 5:45am to 6:45am during the workweek, and usually an hour a day on weekends, and pass up a lot of good food. That keeps me from being “horizontally challenged”.

Would you prefer to have to deal with that regimen? Or would you prefer a less-comfortable flight every now and then? The latter, which is the choice you’ve made, is definitely an easier and likely more enjoyable choice.

The_Bouncer Dec 20, 2017 3:56 am


Originally Posted by kobolcs (Post 29195806)
I am skeptical about all seat width datas on the internet, if I didn't tried it before. That why ask here.
My longhaul C experience is mainly SQ(many), EK(medium hauls via DXB), TK (IST-SIN), but now I am planning to see US and Caribics , I can get to NYC on SQ without detour via SIN, but from there I dont see any options, maybe somebodz more experienced can help, otherwise I have to choose a cruise ship TATL+Caribics, which is too much time and money

Actually, you can get to NYC on SQ - on their 5th freedom flight from FRA.

kobolcs Dec 20, 2017 4:05 am


Originally Posted by NYCommuter (Post 29196301)
Those of us who aren’t “horizontally challenged” don’t simply have our size handed to us.

i work out for an hour a day from 5:45am to 6:45am during the workweek, and usually an hour a day on weekends, and pass up a lot of good food. That keeps me from being “horizontally challenged”.

Would you prefer to have to deal with that regimen? Or would you prefer a less-comfortable flight every now and then? The latter, which is the choice you’ve made, is definitely an easier and likely more enjoyable choice.


I prefer travel as comfortable as possible, but I am not a sheik to own a boeing777 customized to my needs.

kobolcs Dec 20, 2017 4:07 am


Originally Posted by The_Bouncer (Post 29196342)
Actually, you can get to NYC on SQ - on their 5th freedom flight from FRA.

Yes, I know also to GRU - flight via BCN

kobolcs Dec 20, 2017 4:17 am


Originally Posted by DragonSoul (Post 29196140)
Can't you check with the airline's) first?

Checked only one airline has a specific program for specific needs that is Air France Sapfir
Which I need to try out in C.
All others pricing 2x fare+taxes. for two seats

Fabo.sk Dec 20, 2017 7:02 am


Originally Posted by kobolcs (Post 29196374)
I prefer travel as comfortable as possible, but I am not a sheik to own a boeing777 customized to my needs.

missed the point completely....


Originally Posted by GadgetFreak (Post 29195539)
I completely agree. AA has the same configuration in their E175s and are 3 or 4 inches narrower in first according to seat guru. Also, according to SeatGuru United Polaris First on a 744 or 777 is 22 inches wide. I’m really skeptical of the 24 inch SeatGuru number on E175s.



According to UA, Polaris seats are only 20.something. The numbers don't add up.

Otherwise I don't have much to add. I can say that KLM WBC mockup felt a bit too tight in lie-flat shape. LH J seat (this time airplane mounted) felt much more comfortable, even if just couple inches wider.

ibrandsguest Dec 20, 2017 9:51 am


Originally Posted by kobolcs (Post 29196374)
I prefer travel as comfortable as possible, but I am not a sheik to own a boeing777 customized to my needs.

None of us can "have it all". If you aren't willing to make the lifestyle choices that result in not being "horizontally challenged", then there are adverse consequences, unfortunately.

GadgetFreak Dec 20, 2017 10:05 am


Originally Posted by Fabo.sk (Post 29196856)
missed the point completely....



According to UA, Polaris seats are only 20.something. The numbers don't add up.

Otherwise I don't have much to add. I can say that KLM WBC mockup felt a bit too tight in lie-flat shape. LH J seat (this time airplane mounted) felt much more comfortable, even if just couple inches wider.

I was looking at first on international flights. They may not be Polaris. I’m not that familiar with UA’s naming convention.

pinniped Dec 22, 2017 8:06 am


Originally Posted by NYCommuter (Post 29196301)
Those of us who aren’t “horizontally challenged” don’t simply have our size handed to us.

i work out for an hour a day from 5:45am to 6:45am during the workweek, and usually an hour a day on weekends, and pass up a lot of good food. That keeps me from being “horizontally challenged”.

Would you prefer to have to deal with that regimen? Or would you prefer a less-comfortable flight every now and then? The latter, which is the choice you’ve made, is definitely an easier and likely more enjoyable choice.

Surprised it took until post #11 to get this one. Flyertalk is going soft! :eek:

GadgetFreak Dec 22, 2017 8:10 am


Originally Posted by pinniped (Post 29205126)
Surprised it took until post #11 to get this one. Flyertalk is going soft! :eek:

Yeah, I’m stunned it wasn’t in the top 3.

pinniped Dec 22, 2017 8:11 am


Originally Posted by 84fiero (Post 29195426)
UA's site claims 20" on the E-175 and 24" on the E-170. 24" seems hard to believe.

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/con...5/default.aspx

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/con...0/default.aspx

Does Seatguru pull the dimension data from the airlines? I guess it makes sense that it would, and then a flurry of user comments would expose if it was obviously wrong.

Of course, user comments would be quick to point out the pitch being worse than stated...people aren't likely to pay attention to F width unless the seat is abnormally narrow.

The_Bouncer Dec 22, 2017 12:14 pm


Originally Posted by NYCommuter (Post 29196301)
Those of us who aren’t “horizontally challenged” don’t simply have our size handed to us.

i work out for an hour a day from 5:45am to 6:45am during the workweek, and usually an hour a day on weekends, and pass up a lot of good food. That keeps me from being “horizontally challenged”.

Would you prefer to have to deal with that regimen? Or would you prefer a less-comfortable flight every now and then? The latter, which is the choice you’ve made, is definitely an easier and likely more enjoyable choice.

There's always one.


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