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belfordrocks May 13, 2016 9:47 pm


Originally Posted by Efrem (Post 26621247)
This is simply not true. When a person stands in the aisle, anywhere in the aisle, that person blocks other people from standing up to get their stuff. That's an objective fact that has nothing to do with rushing forward. In the scenario you describe, you have chosen to block (and hence delay) people sitting on the aisle in row 20 rather than those sitting in middle/window seats in row 30. Since aisle passengers in row 20 would normally deplane before middle/windows passengers in row 30, blocking them delays the entire process by more than you would have had you stayed by your own row. What's more, by blocking all of row 20, not just the middle/window passengers in that row, you contribute to still more delays because row 20 passengers won't have a chance to begin the deplaning process.

It's still your right to behave rudely, but don't fool try to fool us about the consequences. We didn't all just fall off the turnip truck. (If you want to fool yourself to make yourself feel better about your behavior, go ahead. We all have our little failings.)

Eh, I guess I'm horrible then.

(Of course, assuming I'm in an aisle in row 30, the corollary is now the window/middle passenger in row 30 now has a chance to retrieve their bags)

Efrem May 14, 2016 8:06 am


Originally Posted by belfordrocks (Post 26623335)
Eh, I guess I'm horrible then.

(Of course, assuming I'm in an aisle in row 30, the corollary is now the window/middle passenger in row 30 now has a chance to retrieve their bags)

Right. As I posted, though, blocking aisle passengers in Row 20 delays the process more than blocking middle/window passengers in Row 30 does. If moving the entire process along is your criterion, stay in Row 30 where you were seated.

Commie May 14, 2016 8:47 am


Originally Posted by fastflyer (Post 26620548)
Deplaning behavior has worsened in the past few years. The correct etiquette is to remain seated until passengers within a few rows forward are walking to the exit. If you must stand, do not clutter the limited aisle space with luggage. Do not touch other people with luggage. If your bag will hit other passengers by removing it from the bin, then do not remove it from the bin. When your row is moving, you may then gently remove your bag. Do not put your luggage on other passengers seats.

(Same goes for boarding and flying -- do not make contact with other passengers nor other passenger seats, neither with your body nor your bags)

Lately I have observed many aisle passengers blocking the aisle with rollaboards even before the door has opened (they should be left in the bin until each row is moving to exit.)

Because of this poor deplaning behavior and TSA incompetence and overhead bin boarding wars, I think the lifespan of full-sized rollaboards as cabin bags will be curtailed soon.

+1 on this post...

mapleg May 14, 2016 8:58 am


Originally Posted by XLR26 (Post 26564195)
Agreed. I think it's totally rude to try and move up. I can only imagine the chaos if everyone acted like the OP and jumped up and tried to move up the aisle the second the light went off. Exit row by row. It's orderly and easy.

100% agree. Some passengers charge the front like enraged water buffaloes. Of course it's "all about them". They, and only they matter.

mapleg May 14, 2016 9:02 am


Originally Posted by elCheapoDeluxe (Post 26606058)
I'm with this. I suspect these are the same people who, on the highway, pass you on the right and then cut you off just so they can get forward one single car in a long line of slowly moving cars. People who put their own selfishness above all those around them rarely get any favors from me.

Especially the ones that use exit ramps and entrance ramps to do this.

ibrandsguest May 14, 2016 12:14 pm


Originally Posted by mapleg (Post 26624733)
100% agree. Some passengers charge the front like enraged water buffaloes. Of course it's "all about them". They, and only they matter.

Not so. Those who stay seated and take their leisurely time before getting up, and deplaning, are the "all about them" ones, since they delay everyone.

The other post that stated that standing at row 20 delays things more than standing at row 30 misses the same point:

There are generally two types of people who exit a plane: those who get off efficiently and quickly, and those who are leisurely. It is most efficient for everyone if those who can get off immediately (fast walkers, people without bags, etc.) get off immediately. Then the leisurely ones (people who want to check email, make phone calls, etc. before getting up and off) should get off.

If the leisurely and the efficient get off all together, row by row, then the aggregate time of everyone spent getting off the plane is relatively high since the efficient are forced to get off slowly.

Stores understand this: they have express checkout lanes for people who have only a few items. Now if stores would also differentiate between people who have their credit cards ready before they walk up to the cash register, versus those who start digging around in their pockets and purses only after all of their purchases have been rung up and then want to re-organize their lives when they're done, before stepping away from the cash register, that would be perfect.

moondog May 14, 2016 2:11 pm

People in row 20 are unable to access the aisle when the "efficient" person from row 30 is blocking it.

violist May 14, 2016 3:15 pm


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 26625796)
People in row 20 are unable to access the aisle when the "efficient" person from row 30 is blocking it.

This is an important point. The move-ups put themselves in
a position to inconvenience more people.

Those sitting until it's their turn don't inconvenience anyone
unless they contine to sit after it's time, and the people
behind don't then take up the then-wasted aisle space.

Qwkynuf May 14, 2016 3:17 pm


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 26625796)
People in row 20 are unable to access the aisle when the "efficient" person from row 30 is blocking it.

It doesn't matter. The OP doesn't want to hear that he is wrong, and won't listen if that's what he does hear.

Clearly, he came here looking for support for his position, didn't find it, and is now at the point of restating his arguments as if the reason that we disagree with him is because we just don't understand how superior his method is.

I think most reasonable people understand that them most efficient way to unload *everybody* from the plane involves cooperation from everyone.

I bet this guy's a hoot at Disneyland.

Efrem May 14, 2016 4:22 pm


Originally Posted by Qwkynuf (Post 26626007)
It doesn't matter. The OP doesn't want to hear that he is wrong, and won't listen if that's what he does hear...

Agreed. If he wanted people to accept his argument, he shouldn't have posted it in a forum frequented by people who travel 100,000 miles a year, know a lot about getting off airplanes, and are not about to swallow any guff. There are surely other forums where people who take a trip every five years get together and will give him the approval he needs.

Or, going solely on the OP's handle and knowing nothing more about him - or even if he is a "him" - maybe this reflects stereotypical NYC behavior, which is considered pushy in most of the rest of the world? I know it's not true of all New Yorkers, but as a native who has also lived in lots of other places, I can say that we have more than our share of prime examples.

celle May 14, 2016 4:42 pm

I don't understand why some people get so upset about what other people do when getting off a plane. Deboarding is going to be a slow process, however it is done, and nobody has the duty or the right to tell other passengers how to do it.
Whatever you think the "rules" should be, other people will have different ideas.

I just do whatever seems appropriate at the time and circumstances - and that can differ from flight to flight.

Maybe it's different in the US, but I have found that on international flights most people are considerate of each other.

FWIW, on flights in China, nobody waits for anyone else. As soon as the plane's wheels touch the runway, they are up and into the aisles, even while the plane is still taxi-ing at speed, with one hand on their bag and one hand holding their mobile phone, into which they are shouting.
Best to stay seated in that situation, or get trampled in the rush.

moondog May 14, 2016 5:22 pm


Originally Posted by celle (Post 26626307)
FWIW, on flights in China, nobody waits for anyone else. As soon as the plane's wheels touch the runway, they are up and into the aisles, even while the plane is still taxi-ing at speed, with one hand on their bag and one hand holding their mobile phone

I fly within China 2x/week, and must opine that tolerance for jerks in row 30 (who block off row 20) is low. That having been said, the process is remarkably fast.

ibrandsguest May 14, 2016 5:59 pm


Originally Posted by Qwkynuf (Post 26626007)
It doesn't matter. The OP doesn't want to hear that he is wrong, and won't listen if that's what he does hear.

Clearly, he came here looking for support for his position, didn't find it, and is now at the point of restating his arguments as if the reason that we disagree with him is because we just don't understand how superior his method is.

Not so. Since the feedback that I have gotten in this thread is pretty consistent, on my past few flights (one round trip per week for the past few weeks), on the flights when I was in coach, I did not move up the aisle except one row.

I did notice, however, that for 20 seconds after the seatbelt sign went off, nobody moved, but me. Slowpokes are slowpokes and hold the rest of us up, regardless of how slowpokes try to justify themselves.


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 26626445)
I fly within China 2x/week, and must opine that tolerance for jerks in row 30 (who block off row 20) is low. That having been said, the process is remarkably fast.

When the seatbelt sign goes off, get up and move to the aisle asap. Then people like me would not have walked past you. People like me would have walked past you only if you were sitting.

moondog May 14, 2016 6:13 pm


Originally Posted by NYCommuter (Post 26626567)

When the seatbelt sign goes off, get up and move to the aisle asap. Then people like me would not have walked past you. People like me would have walked past you only if you were sitting.

You are correct to the extent that I will remain seated while the guy in row 30 gets his panties in a bunch, but nobody from row 30 will advance beyond row 20 because the people of row 20 have nominated our tallest member to occupy the aisle.:D

ibrandsguest May 14, 2016 6:57 pm


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 26626613)
You are correct to the extent that I will remain seated while the guy in row 30 gets his panties in a bunch, but nobody from row 30 will advance beyond row 20 because the people of row 20 have nominated our tallest member to occupy the aisle.:D

I would respectfully suggest that you go back and re-read my posts.

Never would I barge or otherwise walk by someone who's already standing in the aisle. All I did in the past, until I got the responses that I did in this thread, was to use the 20 seconds or so while everyone else was still seated in order to walk up a few rows, stopping when people started to move into the aisle.

So whether a 1.5 meter tall 95 year old grandmother or a 2.2 meter tall 21 year old basketball player is in the aisle, or starting to move to the aisle, it makes no difference: when people start getting up and moving into the aisle, I have always stopped.


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